Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

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Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by mekineer » 2020-09-15, 21:49

I'm curious to know how different the search results are, depending on Pale Moon vs other browsers.
https://moz.com/community/q/why-differe ... ch-results

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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by Moonchild » 2020-09-16, 08:32

Another reason not to use Google Search
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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by gepus » 2020-09-16, 10:02

I get the same search results with Pale Moon and IceCat (which is a rebranded FirefoxESR).

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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by Pentium4User » 2020-09-16, 10:30

gepus wrote:
2020-09-16, 10:02
I get the same search results with Pale Moon and IceCat (which is a rebranded FirefoxESR).
It is known that Google changes the results based on many factors: User Agent, Country, User (identified by Login, Cookies, IP).
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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by gepus » 2020-09-16, 13:15

@Pentium4User
Cutting it short. Give me please a search term that will give different results for two different browsers.
Those I've tested with gave me the same results.

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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by Pentium4User » 2020-09-16, 16:13

Try out the search term "mail" without quotation marks in Pale Moon and Chromium.
Scroll a little bit down and you will see the result isn't the same.
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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2020-09-16, 17:48

What really makes a difference in search results the most is not where you are or what web client you pretend to be though those have a slight effect BUT if you are logged in or not and what data they have collected about you.

Being a psy-op as a search engine service affords them massive power in being able to use results to psycologically manipulate you. Their power globally to do that is well known but what isn't is the amount of algorithmic ways they "customize" results based on you personally if you are logged in with lots of search history.
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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by gepus » 2020-09-16, 19:13

@Pentium4User
Same results as you can see below. I could make also a screenshot with all the 100 results but it's annoying because of the resulting big file size.
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What really makes a difference in search results the most is not where you are or what web client you pretend to be though those have a slight effect BUT if you are logged in or not and what data they have collected about you.
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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by Moonchild » 2020-09-16, 20:03

Falls under the label "providing you with more relevant search results".
Relevant according to Google's algorithm and biases of course. See also: search filter bubble.
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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by RealityRipple » 2020-09-17, 05:04

What's really weird is how one has 1&1 and the other has IONOS. They're the same company.

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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by Tomaso » 2020-09-17, 19:11

Yeah, I've seen this discussed before, and the above statements are correct.
Search results depends on how big of a degree Google is able to track, and collect data about you.
In the worst examples that I've seen, people with no filtering whatsoever were actually getting the exact same search results, when using "completely different" search engines!

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Re: Google Search Results Dependent on User Agent

Post by mekineer » 2020-09-17, 19:37

Tomaso wrote:
2020-09-17, 19:11
... were actually getting the exact same search results, when using "completely different" search engines!
That's not surprising considering that most search engines use results from either google or bing:
https://mekineer.com/information-techno ... ch-engines

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