[ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

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[ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 12 Apr 2018, 21:05

Will Basilisk replace/be the new Pale Moon?
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What's the difference between Basilisk and Pale Moon?
THIS!

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Basilisk Take 2 and Pale Moon 28.0.0a1 running off the same UXP platform codebase.. Hope this answers everyone's questions.. Any further discussion should be halted in their tracks with a link to this thread.
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby dinosaur » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 17:58

And will it still be able to look like that ?
PM27.png

Notice the menu bar which includes the navigation buttons, the URL input and the search input lines: I have been unable to get this with Basilisk, so I'm a bit worried that the freedom of placement of the various UI elements will be lost with next generation PM... Note also the search bar (another essential tool that Firefox ruined)...

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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby New Tobin Paradigm » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 18:08

Sigh... What will it take.. What will it take? Tell me that.. What will it take for people to understand.
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Sajadi » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 18:20

The UI stays the same, only what is behind.. gets changed ;)

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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby dinosaur » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 18:26

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:Sigh... What will it take.. What will it take? Tell me that.. What will it take for people to understand.

Probably an alpha of PM 28 to test and see by ourselves. I'm like St Thomas: I only believe in what I can see and experience by myself. :lol:

There are so many ways to customize PM that it would be a huge (but very good) surprise should PM 28 be able to do everything PM 27 is doing.

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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Thehandyman1957 » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 18:27

Come on folks, use that grey matter between your ears.

Pale Moon will continue to look just like Pale Moon.

Basilisk will look just like the newer FF.

They will continue to be separate browsers.

You now will have a choice between both looks.

Just the same as if you changed a engine in a car with a new one, when you close the hood it looks the same.
So will Pale Moon 28 when it's ready.

Now stop with these brainless questions before Matt A. Tobin goes and hurts himself. ;)
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Moonchild » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 19:45

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:Sigh... What will it take.. What will it take? Tell me that.. What will it take for people to understand.


people apparently won't understand until they actually have Pale Moon 28.

So, to everyone who doesn't understand yet: please stop asking the same questions and be patient, and you WILL see.
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Sajadi » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 20:19

Well, that should show that you can indeed change in PM28 a lot ;) The UI is still fully customizable. That pic here is a replica of an older state of my profile.. in use with the new (not released) UXP Pale Moon variant. So, most stuff you have been able to do in the past, you can do in the future with PM-UXP ;)

But as it can be clearly seen... still needs some time to be as polished as normal recent Pale Moon :)

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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Moonchild » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 20:34

Sajadi, all you're doing is providing more confusion for the average user by showing a heavily-tweaked UI. You're not helping. :?
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Sajadi » Fri, 20 Apr 2018, 21:14

sorry... i have been thinking that to show a picture that there are no big limits as compared to what is possible right now would help people a bit in understanding - isn't the issue that people can't get the fact that the surface is the same for both present and upcoming (including the customization options and features)?
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby gracious1 » Sun, 22 Apr 2018, 18:54

It may help to review the diagram that Moonchild posted a while back:

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Basilisk and Pale Moon are simply two different applications that utilize the same platform (the workings underneath, including rendering engine, application program interfaces, etc.)
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby HaleSun » Thu, 03 May 2018, 13:37

The takeaway is that Pale Moon does not have Australis (legacy breaker), no e10s (memory hog), no WebRTC (security nightmare), and absolutely zero WebExtension crutches to muddy the XUL purity and this WON'T change in the future.

This is why addons as old and reliable as SortPlaces continue to work with Pale Moon even to this very day. This is what's called "stability" and it's what Mozilla threw away long ago in their pursuit of being in the same playpen as Chrome, and Chrome has already become the new "IE6". Once upon a time when Chrome was just a fledgling browser Google actually recommended a good method for identifying a browser instead of the useragent discrimination that is rampant today. Now that Chrome is the dominant browser Google has since greatly weakened this stance. Coincidence?

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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Sampei Nihira » Thu, 03 May 2018, 16:45

When will PM28 be released?

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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby adisib » Thu, 03 May 2018, 17:05

Sampei Nihira wrote:When will PM28 be released?


See Tobin's post here:
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Re: [ANSWER] Basilisk and Pale Moon: Differences? Replace?

Postby Sampei Nihira » Thu, 03 May 2018, 17:08

TH. :thumbup: :wave:


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