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New google layout??

Unread post by olafmi » 2019-05-26, 14:55

My english is very bad so I use Google translated.

For some time there is new google layout in the search. How can I change it to the old Google layout?

I found that noscript 5 shows this new google layout I do not want to miss out on noscript.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by adesh » 2019-05-26, 20:09

It's recommended not to use NoScript, in fact developers don't support it's use with the browser. You can try eMatrix for similar functionality.

You may not be able to use old Google layout it Google doesn't want you to.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by therube » 2019-05-26, 21:57

Like with many forms of discrimination, you may have the ability to change who you appear to be ;-).
NoScript: google search results displaying in mobile mode with Noscript, despite being on desktop

(Myself, I haven't bothered. [Yet?])

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by harrym » 2019-05-27, 09:09

That is not an answer.

The problem has arrived since a few days ago.
Up to now Google worked perfectly well on Pale Moon with NoScript, with no problems, for years.
Now this is happening on both Pale Moon and the latest Firefox, but NOT on Chrome!
I'm uploading screenshots to show the problem.

I would like to know if this is a problem of Pale Moon having lately changed the user-agent string, or whether Google have modified their search-screen to penalize everybody except Chrome.

Any ideas on getting back the old screen?
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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by R3n_001 » 2019-05-27, 19:04

harrym wrote:
2019-05-27, 09:09
Any ideas on getting back the old screen?
Try allowing scripts for google.com, that's what fixes it for me

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-05-28, 07:30

Try this on for size: Problems with Google aren't our problem and never were. Don't like it? Use Chrome.
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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by harrym » 2019-05-28, 08:10

Allowing scripts for Google fixes the problem, but means that I cannot use my extensive history of past URLs, which Pale Moon kindly keeps for me.
Google will insist on showing me matches coming from all over the world, except for my own.

Form history is after all a Pale Moon mechanism that is blocked by this badly-written Google web-application.
In the past it was possible to block this using NoScript, but lately Google seems to have cannily done the opposite: changed the style rules inside the HTML to be really annoying, and set its JavaScript to fix it. Really clever.

Monkeying with the user-agent string, it seems like this can make a vast difference to the HTML generated by Google. An old user-agent can return oldish research results.
Does somebody know of a user-agent that generates the previous HTML?

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by Moonchild » 2019-05-28, 10:46

So, it's a case of PEBCAK.
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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by Smokey20 » 2019-05-28, 12:09

Why do you guys use Google search? I have avoided Google for many years as I don't want the spying. There was a time when it was hard to use other search engines as Google was far superior but that is no longer true. Use DuckDuckGo. It doesn't spy on you even when you allow its cookies and set up some saved parameters for how the pages look. I've been using it from its inception and its evolvement is amazing. I only need Google these days for one website's maps that are married to Google and used by the TheBus itself not just on the website. I haven't visited the city where TheBus is located in years so Google has little to store on me. I'm Google FREE (including never having used or communicated with anyone who uses gmail. Why anyone would allow Google read and archive all their mail and actually expect privacy conscious users to meekly send them email at gmail knowing Google reads and archives their mail also is mind boggling. Get off of Google!

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by olafmi » 2019-05-28, 14:40

So I use now:
user-agent switcher:
https://github.com/chrispederick/user-a ... itcher.xpi

with the last browser list:
https://techpatterns.com/forums/about304.html

this will show the Google search correctly (if you select an older browser).

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by Lucio Chiappetti » 2019-05-28, 16:05

Smokey20 wrote:
2019-05-28, 12:09
Why do you guys use Google search? I have avoided Google for many years as I don't want the spying.
Is it so severe insofar you do not log in to google ? all what they can know is your IP not your name ...
I am compelled sometimes to log in because my institution has moved to Gsuite for mail (in general I retrieve mail by fetchmail every 5 min, but to unmark spam I am forced to log in), but I soon log out and purge the cookies.
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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by Konrad » 2019-05-28, 21:06

A page of Google search in Pale Moon 28.5.0. I have no idea whether it’s a new or an old layout.

I use xml file with preferences configured for so-called global search: no safe filter, no country filter, no personalised search results, 20 results per page, links open in a new tab.
Google search has been helpful for several years now in the default Firefox Compatibility mode without Google account, without user-agent switcher, with or without uBlock Origin/eMatrix.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by coffeebreak » 2019-05-28, 22:11

Konrad wrote:
2019-05-28, 21:06
in the default Firefox Compatibility mode

Pale Moon has a built-in UA override for google.com. Unless you modified it, you're using this:
pm-defaultUAoverride-google.png

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by Konrad » 2019-05-28, 22:28

coffeebreak wrote:
2019-05-28, 22:11
Pale Moon has a built-in UA override for google.com. Unless you modified it, you're using this...
Yep, I have that default value without alterations.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by coffeebreak » 2019-05-28, 22:44

Konrad wrote:
2019-05-28, 22:28
Yep, I have that default value without alterations.

I'll just add, in case it wasn't clear to everyone, that the built-in override for Google differs from the default Firefox compatibility mode UA value for Pale Moon 28.5.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by harrym » 2019-05-29, 09:12

Konrad wrote:
2019-05-28, 21:06
A page of Google search in Pale Moon 28.5.0. I have no idea whether it’s a new or an old layout.
This is the old layout which I'm trying to restore, but cannot, in spite of having erased all cookies and cache.
I wonder what's the difference ?

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by harrym » 2019-05-29, 16:03

Well, I'll be damned.
Yesterday my last attempt was to set the user-agent to Internet Explorer 7, which didn't work same as all my other attempts, so I stopped in disgust and turned off the computer.
This morning I find that Google works correctly and everything is back to normal.
The only problem is that I don't dare undo the user-agent, so will continue as Internet Explorer 7. Sigh..

Thanks for the tip about the User Agent Switcher add-on, which did the job.
However, does anyone know of a way or add-on that can selectively present different user-agent strings to different websites? I prefer being Internet Explorer 7 only to google.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by olafmi » 2019-05-29, 18:29

did you add the browser list? Maybe Opera 12.00 will produce a better result.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by harrym » 2019-05-29, 20:42

olafmi wrote:
2019-05-29, 18:29
did you add the browser list? Maybe Opera 12.00 will produce a better result.
I did add the browser list, and Opera 12 gives the wrong result.
I went "up" to Internet Explorer 8, and the result is still good.

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Re: New google layout??

Unread post by olafmi » 2019-05-29, 21:46

the list still has the Legacy Browser and only from the list works the google search (layout). From the other list, the google layout does not works.

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