[COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Mon, 17 Sep 2018, 07:56

I'll have to do some examination of the mailnews profile bits to see what can be reasonably recommended for a manual transfer.. The real issue is that the mailnews components are touchy. Way more than any modernish components. You do understand that this is at your own risk and if anything goes wrong when attempting this crap is on your own head.

Personally, I think a manual profile copy can be done reasonably as long as the profile has not touched anything newer than Thunderbird 52 and if you exclude the extensions and cache directories and reset most preferences that are NOT:

mail.account.*
mail.accountmanager.*
mail.identity.*
mail.root.*
mail.server.*
mail.smtp.*
mail.smtpserver.*
mailnews.*

I believe that would give you pretty much something akin to a cleanish state while preserving your shit.

Again, this advice is not to be taken by anyone and if you do take it at some point then the Interlink Mail & Newsgroups software will cause your workstation to begin leaking high energy gamma radiation.
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby Baloo » Wed, 19 Sep 2018, 00:42

Wow, I would have donated if I had seen this topic. Guess I'll give a few more bucks to Pale Moon. Thanks for doing this, as I've been using the security-patched FossaMail over the crappy Comcast client these days. Honestly, as long as there is a classic theme and can read emails, doesn't need to do anything else for me.

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Wed, 19 Sep 2018, 00:51

Well is this classic enough for the time being?

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby Giraffe » Wed, 19 Sep 2018, 08:22

That's looking good - I don't like fancy layouts as the Classic one is highly functional (I always go for usability first).
Just to check on one point: when Replying, does the reply quote only the selected text from the message? I've tried a few clients that quote all of the message, regardless of selection?
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 20 Sep 2018, 15:23

An update for people that might have a passing thought that I took their money and went on a cruise in the Bahamas or something.. :P

I am hoping to get to the point of some sort of Technology Preview build by end of next week but it will still be a bit rough of a preview and likely only Win32.

I did use some of the money to get a second m.2 ssd hard drive chip to install the linux on so I will be able to build and test on bare metal and not have to cut into the time of the Pale Moon Linux Team. So that is neat.

Anyway, thanks again for your support and in the end I hope you will enjoy this thing.

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby Nightbird » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 20:44

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:Well is this classic enough for the time being?

Fine for me, keep it sober, avoid visual clutter :)
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby back2themoon » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 21:00

Quite excited about this, to be honest. Take your time and no need to rush anything. :thumbup:
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby bobber575 » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 11:53

This is going to happen sooner or later, so I'll be the bad guy and just go for it.

Will there be a specific area in the forums for this new application?

1. Suggestion/Request: Support for Lightning or equivalent gmail calendar.
2. Suggestion/Request: Support for Enigmail/GPG or equivalent.
3. Suggestion/Request: Support for "Clippings 5.5.2" or equivalent.

Thanks for your time.
Cheers,
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 12:12

I already said that past inital development there will not be a subforum here.. You can use the issue tracker at github once the final repository is established.

No, I will not support the calendar as it is NOT and never has been part of the application code. It is an advanced extension at best and it is not my job to support specific extensions.

If someone wants to take up the calendar extension development I will help facilitate it but nothing more on this front. I don't want to be responsible for keeping the code working but will consider offering it if the code becomes maintained and I would be willing to coordinate interoperablity. Though I think a restoration as a standalone application would be a better idea.

I am going to talk to the enigmail people about direct support but failing that I don't know.. Again, it isn't my job to support specific extensions.

I don't know what this Clippings extension is but did i mention it is not my job to support specific extensions?

My job includes supporting extensibility in the form of Toolkit/Overlay and Bootstrap extensions as well as Themes in general NOT any specific extension or theme. Jetpack extensions need not apply. This was stated before this started.

Extensions and Themes must have support for the application not the otherway around. This will be the ONLY time I will say this. Anything further on this specific topic will be ignored or marked RESOLVED INVALID.

Why? because I am not going to compromise my developmental freedom and advancement of core features and UI for the sake of pre-existing extensions and themes.. This is not to say that I would not work with extension developers but it does mean I will NOT be trapped into a "Pale Moon situation" where I cannot change anything for fear of lynchmobs..

I said I would do an extensible mail client with email, rss, and newsgroups that didn't look and run like crap and that is exactly what was presented from the beginning and it is what I will deliver.
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby werano » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 14:53

can someone please post me a downloadlink for the 64bit windows program
thx

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby back2themoon » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 14:55

There is no program available for download yet. Watch this thread for news.
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Wed, 26 Sep 2018, 17:08

Oh good, I can still post here. Hi, I have been working hard on the code for the Interlink Mail & Newsgroup client, as promised.

You can track what I am doing here https://github.com/binoc-central/comm-mailnews/commits/TRUNK commit by commit. You will notice I started slightly before the collection completed.

More will be forthcoming.
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 01:02

Well thanks to some work I have shamelessly swipped from Aris of CTR fame.. I have completed an ugly hack to get the not-default built in theme to not be very Australis.. Though, the forked theme from ClassicTB2 is preferred and pref-set as default.

Check it out.
6bee5b61-93d7-43f3-9e51-5650bf7e3dbb.jpg


In all honesty both themes need a lot of work and that will progress as the year drags on.. BTW the year starts at first release NOT when I got my money.. So rejoice for that bit of fair play. But there you go.. No curvy Australis tabs visually present by default.

Additionally, thanks to help from Moonchild it seems that for the moment Enigmail works.. We tested it. I do plan to reach out to them in the near future to see if that can be one less thing I need to be concerned about.

Anyway, stuff is proceeding..
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby LAR Grizzly » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 01:14

I would like to see a way to compact the header or be able to use the Compact Header add-on.
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 02:38

LAR Grizzly wrote:I would like to see a way to compact the header or be able to use the Compact Header add-on.


Okay? I am not going to build this in. The extension might work it might not.. Please don't bombard me with extensions. I promised extensibility NOT compatibility with Thunderbird extensions. If it works, it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. You will be free to extend the client as you see fit but compatibility is of secondary priority at best.

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby LAR Grizzly » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 03:10

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:I will take suggestions, of course, but I am not obligated to implement them.


No problem, just a suggestion. I understand the complexity of starting a new program. All the best! :thumbup:
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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 06:14

LAR Grizzly wrote:
New Tobin Paradigm wrote:I will take suggestions, of course, but I am not obligated to implement them.


No problem, just a suggestion. I understand the complexity of starting a new program. All the best! :thumbup:


Thank you very much for your understanding dude.. Sometimes I unjustifiably annoyed when it comes to some questions just because of history.. Don't worry.. I am not evil.. NOT EVIL! :shifty:

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby yereverluvinuncleber » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 09:44

Impressed with NTP's commitment and feedback on the project. I look forward to seeing it. IF I come across some spare cash (three kids, two aged-Ps, three cats, one dog and a brother to look after) then I will happily push it towards the next project that NTP dives into.

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby werano » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 10:23

ain't there a beta version for testing purposes?

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Re: [COMPLETED!] Collection effort for a Mail&News

Unread postby back2themoon » Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 10:29

werano wrote:ain't there a beta version for testing purposes?

There's an answer for that a few posts above...
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