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second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby galaxysurfer » Mon, 06 Aug 2018, 23:24

https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/06/thunderbird-60-0-release-information/ It's official Thunderbird is now the quantum email equivalent of Firefox. How would I go about doing security updates etc on last completed existing version?

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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby back2themoon » Tue, 07 Aug 2018, 14:34

I'm also back at FossaMail. Most of my extensions were nuked for good by the Thunderbird 'update'.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby unknownone » Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 14:23

I'm using the unofficial builds since months and I'm glad that they are still provided with security fixes. Thank you Moonchild for your hard work.
I would support the person that may decide in the future to revive Fossamail.

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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 16:00

I'll do a mozilla-based MailNews client for 25 dollars a week for a minimum of one year. Special rate if paid up front.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby mr tribute » Wed, 22 Aug 2018, 19:40

I use SeaMonkey for email and it still supports XUL extensions (try the online SeaMonkey extension converter). If those extensions go away at some point it doesn't matter to me. Extensions are important for a browser, less so for an email-client. I think I have a couple of themes installed, that's it.

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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby zapper » Thu, 06 Sep 2018, 14:58

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:I'll do a mozilla-based MailNews client for 25 dollars a week for a minimum of one year. Special rate if paid up front.


I think if you set up a donations page people would be more than happy to do just that. I would give a 5$ contribution for a year for such a thing, I doubt I am the only one, :)

PS, good to see you back on the forums again.

edit: I think you should change the branding though. ;)
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 06 Sep 2018, 18:03

I am not asking for donations. I am asking for paid work with a weekly/monthly paycheck for at least a year commitment or an upfront discounted lump sum.

$25 a week or $85 a month or one time payment of $1,000 and you get your yet unnamed MailNews client for at least a year.

Keep in mind, I have to start from base Thunderbird that can't even be successfully compiled using UXP yet and boy have they screwed it up since 38. A lot of work to be done.

Only takes one person to fund this. Who will it be?

Remember, this is not affiliated with Moonchild Productions and will not be called FossaMail.

As an additional bonus, once it gets building and working, it is still open source so I must disclose it to anyone who asks once the first binary package ships so consider it an investment into the future. One that would benefit everyone.

Of course at that point anyone could effectively screw me over then so it isn't like I have no risk. Though I would not recommend it.. Unless you picked the one time deal then go for it.

Now you could say the reverse is also true but you have to know I'd loose all credibility if I pulled something like a cut and run. It is not in my best intrest to do so. All I pretty much have in life at the end of the day is my honesty. Yep, that unfiltered blunt honesty that has been known to drive people up the wall. For better or worse that is the most important thing. So give me money and I will give you a MailNews client.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby Thehandyman1957 » Thu, 06 Sep 2018, 19:26

I'm sure that if you set up something like a go fund me page for that project, and
made the deal that at the point it hit a $1,000 bucks it would get made.

That would allow more folks to contribute to the cause and spread out the
burden so that all of us could afford to contribute. The cool part would be
that you could stipulate somewhere that if it never reached the amount
required, that the rest could get donated to the Pale Moon project.

That way, the money gets used for a good purpose no matter what. :thumbup:

Just a thought anyway. :angel:
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Thu, 06 Sep 2018, 19:31

Nah. Cause I don't actually want to do this but I will for money. That is the point. I just want some money and people just want a mailnews client so I figure it would be a good trade.

No complicated crowdsourcing just money for work above and beyond all the stuff I do for free. It is an experiment I am trying to run.

See if money can be exchanged for goods and services via an internet forum thread.

Of course a requirement is that it has to be a real offer from my self and result in a real mailnews client and real money.

It is a very practical and meaningful experiment.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby Moonchild » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 00:25

I'd just like to add that $25/week or a flat $1000 for a guaranteed development of software and updates for a year is a really, really good deal.

If Tobin doesn't want the headaches of setting up crowdfunding, then maybe a small group of interested people can simply pool their money together to come up with a grand. I can chip in too, because I'm just as interested in using a true Mail and News client in favor of crappy, ever-changing webmail with no guarantee that the next version will still work or suddenly gets loaded with ads or what not.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby Tony0945 » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 15:44

Count me in as long as you support XP. The go fund me page is a good idea too. I miss fossamail.

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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 16:23

I will not support XP or Vista.. UXP's general Windows system requirements are Windows 7 or higher. I can't believe you'd even ask. Also, if I do it it won't be FossaMail.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby back2themoon » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 17:11

Also interested - what will it be?
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 17:29

It would be a MailNews Client with a name and branding I haven't worked out quite yet. I can tell you this.. It wouldn't have a calendar or chat or other nonsense beyond a POP/IMAP mail client, newsgroup client, RSS reader because RSS is going to become very important again to those outside the mainstream (read: approved) internet. Also shall not have curvy tabs.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby yami_ » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 17:46

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:It would be a MailNews Client with a name and branding I haven't worked out quite yet. I can tell you this.. It wouldn't have a calendar or chat or other nonsense beyond a POP/IMAP mail client, newsgroup client, RSS reader because RSS is going to become very important again to those outside the mainstream (read: approved) internet. Also shall not have curvy tabs.
Would this hypothetical MailNews client support extensions? Even without extensions support this offer is very interesting.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby Nightbird » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 18:59

Linux support ?


guaranteed development of software and updates for a year

and what will happen once the year is over ?
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby yami_ » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 19:24

Nightbird wrote:Linux support ?
Probably possible since this would be an UXP application.
Nightbird wrote:and what will happen once the year is over ?
I guess that paid long term support would be an option.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby Cassette » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 21:04

I'm actually fine with FossaMail with the periodic security updates. It does everything I need a mail client to do. Unlike browsers things don't suddenly stop working because of a constant stream of new features. If anything there is a bigger risk of losing compatibility with the few extensions I use in FossaMail now. Really, what is missing in FossaMail that would require a move over to UXP?

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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby yami_ » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 21:11

Cassette wrote:Really, what is missing in FossaMail that would require a move over to UXP?
It is simply not compatible with UXP, like Pale Moon was several months ago.
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Re: second plee to revive Fossamail

Unread postby Moonchild » Fri, 07 Sep 2018, 23:02

yami_ wrote:
Cassette wrote:Really, what is missing in FossaMail that would require a move over to UXP?
It is simply not compatible with UXP, like Pale Moon was several months ago.

I think you misunderstand the question. the question is "why would moving to UXP be needed, anyway?" -- in short, it isn't needed, per se.
FossaMail as-is can be maintained as a LTS, security-updates-only client, but it's a maintenance burden for me, so if Tobin can get an updated, dedicated mail/news client running on UXP, that would be great (since sec updates will depend on work already done for the platform anyway)

If Tobin is going ahead with his MailNews client, though, it'll have to support extensions -- because without that, it'd be too much of a loss for me (most notably the PGP integration for encrypted and signed mail through Enigmail). I do use the calendar but it's low-key enough to do without.
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