Just responding to this: You can go through both fora and compare notes, if you like. There is a huge difference between general attitude and atmosphere. Yes, of course we have a few posts about the absolutely hostile reception most users have gotten over at MozillaZine, and some choice words in there. That's a normal human response. At the same time, people on MozillaZine might find that hostile towards them if they read those posts and identify themselves with that forum "as a whole" or as a MozillaZine community/entity.dr_st wrote:While I understand your position on MozillaZine, you surely know that the way you describe their community is exactly how they feel about yours, sometimes down to the same words you used.
Difference is: we don't judge people for using Firefox when they visit here. We may not exactly provide support to them (since there are Firefox specific support resources available better suited to those questions) but we certainly welcome them just the same. I fully support people choosing Firefox if it works better for them.
Conversely, Pale Moon users over there are "baited and sniped" as-per-policy, simply by being recognized as Pale Moon users (through useragent posting or mentioning of the name, to name some). That's no way to treat your guests, IMNSHO. Not to mention the fact that we, the staff here, are blatantly accused by MozillaZine staff of "sending trolls their way" to be disruptive... We don't do that, it serves no purpose, I do take personal offense to such accusations, and I certainly discourage anyone from acting in such a childish, disruptive, and generally unconstructive way. Thankfully, the thing we've been accused of in the other direction has been limited so far to one obnoxious individual (KenGreeb) who has been given the time and opportunity within normal bounds of forum etiquette and moderation to have their say, even after it was clear they were here just to stir up things. I hope we don't have to deal with too much of that in the future since it's just a waste of everyone's time.
They may feel like we are hostile towards them, but the hostility here towards the MozillaZine forum - as an entity and more specifically in the shape of certain moderators over there who abuse their power - is hostility that is instigated by their own behavior. We are allowed to at least react and discuss such things on our forum, are we not? I think there's maybe 2 threads here that actually discuss the hatred displayed towards Pale Moon users who have visited there, and the rest of the forum content is focused on Pale Moon issues and general Internet discussion. People can voice their opinions, I think, even if it may not be opinions that visitors from other parts of the Internet may necessarily agree with. Or that I agree with, for that matter. It may spark heated discussions sometimes, but as long as things stay civil, they can run their course. It's an open forum, after all. There are no prerequisites apart from behaving yourself properly.
It's sad that there is this negativity; I'd rather not see it, but I do understand why people feel the way they do, and policing that is certainly not conducive to normal forum discussion, so in general, we don't.
Please do step back a moment and look at the overall picture on both fora if you want to compare.