Has performance improved on heavier "javascript all the things!" websites?

[browserman]

Hi, related to this,
I am constantly enabling/disabling javascript in about:config, since disabling it means 10 times faster browsing or so, aside from the fact added privacy of not having scripts running, but need to enable as soon as some site requires it. So my suggestion is to have a button in the browser to enable/disable javascript. I think Firefox had such a button long long time ago. So what do you other people here think about this? Just wanted to lift the idea.

[Gemmaugr]

Hi, related to this,
I am constantly enabling/disabling javascript in about:config, since disabling it means 10 times faster browsing or so, aside from the fact added privacy of not having scripts running, but need to enable as soon as some site requires it. So my suggestion is to have a button in the browser to enable/disable javascript. I think Firefox had such a button long long time ago. So what do you other people here think about this? Just wanted to lift the idea.

https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/togglejscript/

[browserman]

Hi, related to this,
I am constantly enabling/disabling javascript in about:config, since disabling it means 10 times faster browsing or so, aside from the fact added privacy of not having scripts running, but need to enable as soon as some site requires it. So my suggestion is to have a button in the browser to enable/disable javascript. I think Firefox had such a button long long time ago. So what do you other people here think about this? Just wanted to lift the idea.

https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/togglejscript/

Great! Thank you (although I had hoped everone wanted this as standard feature )

[moonbat]

although I had hoped everone wanted this as standard feature

Most modern websites are unusable if you completely disable javascript, it's a crude hammer compared to using an adblocker that will get rid of unwanted ads and tracking scripts. Anyhow the point of having an extension system is because if you ask n users for what features they consider important, you'll get n different replies. Makes no sense to bloat the browser with features that are better off as extensions, for those that want them as in your case.
Pale Moon's strength is its powerful extension system that Firefox chose to ditch in 2017; you can customize it as much or as little as you want. For some people just an adblocker is enough, for others like me there's over a hundred extensions installed without any problems of slowness. For still others that may be using the browser on an isolated network with no internet access, makes no sense to forcibly integrate an adblocker the way other browsers do.
Pale Moon's motto of "Your browser your way" isn't an empty slogan.

[Mæstro]

Most modern websites are unusable if you completely disable javascript,

Among the benefits of abandoning NoScript which I have noticed is that websites which would break if NoScript is used to block JavaScript will run properly if µBlock is used for the same purpose instead. The most prominent example known to me is Pixiv.

[andyprough]

Hi, related to this,
I am constantly enabling/disabling javascript in about:config, since disabling it means 10 times faster browsing or so, aside from the fact added privacy of not having scripts running, but need to enable as soon as some site requires it. So my suggestion is to have a button in the browser to enable/disable javascript. I think Firefox had such a button long long time ago. So what do you other people here think about this? Just wanted to lift the idea.

You are the type of person that would get a huge amount of mileage out of using the eMatrix extension: https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/ematrix/

Most people don't want to fiddle with enabling and disabling scripting from different domains for each individual website, but if you are willing to do the work to determine the minimum amount of scripts that should be allowed per site, you could lock those per-site settings down and have a greatly improved browsing experience.

[frostknight]

Among the benefits of abandoning NoScript which I have noticed is that websites which would break if NoScript is used to block JavaScript will run properly if µBlock is used for the same purpose instead.

I was a heavy user of noscript for a long time, until I learned of ematrix.

Its pretty darn good.

I refuse to allow javascript to have full power on my computer tho lol

[__NM64__]

Other than the javascript-based "making sure you're not a bot!" checks that have become rather prevalent in the last year, I actually find that websites today are more likely to be usable at all when javascript is disabled than maybe 5 years ago?

If I remember correctly I think it has something to do with download speed and processing time, i.e. basically trying to be able to display content your page sooner as an almost "placeholder" when it's not yet fully loaded (presumably because the increase in high-end CPU performance in both PC and mobile and availability of ultra-fast internet co-exists with consumers keeping older devices for longer than ever and the seemingly never-ending growing popularity of mobile in developing countries and ever-present reality that internet speeds can be literally an order of magnitude slower in even rural developed countries)

Among the benefits of abandoning NoScript which I have noticed is that websites which would break if NoScript is used to block JavaScript will run properly if µBlock is used for the same purpose instead. The most prominent example known to me is Pixiv.

As a rather heavy consumer of pixiv and also a user of if µBlock, can you clarify this? Do you just mean using standard µBlock in its largely default arrangement as-is, or do you mean doing something fancier and custom?

[Mæstro]

As a rather heavy consumer of pixiv and also a user of if µBlock, can you clarify this? Do you just mean using standard µBlock in its largely default arrangement as-is, or do you mean doing something fancier and custom?

Advanced mode enabled with the following rules, of which all but the last are global:

Code: Select all

* * 1p-script block
* * 3p block
* * 3p-frame block
* * 3p-script block
* * image noop
* * inline-script block
www.pixiv.net pximg.net * noop

I get better results on a test page this way than clicking to disable scripts in µBlock’s default interface on the lower right.

[UCyborg]

https://www.half-life.com/en/halflife/25th hogs my CPU 100% (4 cores) with zero JavaScript. To be fair, it does with Chromium too, but at least there things still animate while on Pale Moon, it's all a slideshow. The game which the page is about works much better.

[frostknight]

https://www.half-life.com/en/halflife/25th hogs my CPU 100% (4 cores) with zero JavaScript. To be fair, it does with Chromium too, but at least there things still animate while on Pale Moon, it's all a slideshow. The game which the page is about works much better.

I just visited the website and i have no lag that I can see...

Though I am using palemoon + linux tho with an i5-8250u and i have most javascript blocked, not all.

[Gemmaugr]

https://www.half-life.com/en/halflife/25th hogs my CPU 100% (4 cores) with zero JavaScript. To be fair, it does with Chromium too, but at least there things still animate while on Pale Moon, it's all a slideshow. The game which the page is about works much better.

Only blocking google Youtube on that site, the page still spam dozens of "reflow: 0ms function trigger, jquery-3.4.1.min.js line 2" every second. That is most likely the cause me thinks.

[UCyborg]

Task Manager looks like this on work laptop, 4 core Intel with Hyper-Threading. The site animates, but turns to a slideshow if Pale Moon is pinned only to 4 real cores.



This article still heavily applies to modern web development: Software disenchantment

@Gemmaugr
You can turn off JavaScript in about:config, usage will still be high.

[Mæstro]

https://www.half-life.com/en/halflife/25th hogs my CPU 100% (4 cores) with zero JavaScript. To be fair, it does with Chromium too, but at least there things still animate while on Pale Moon, it's all a slideshow. The game which the page is about works much better.

Not for me, but then again, I disable CSS animations now that I have cancelled my Fanbox subscriptions and no longer need it on any sites for them to render.

[Lucio Chiappetti]

Looking at this thread reminds me a few years ago of a taxi driver imprecating against "those web pages stuffed with javascripts" A power user in disguise ?

[frostknight]

Task Manager looks like this on work laptop, 4 core Intel with Hyper-Threading. The site animates, but turns to a slideshow if Pale Moon is pinned only to 4 real cores.

This article still heavily applies to modern web development: Software disenchantment

Hmm... could be a windows bug. I don't know what it would be though.

Looking here:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... tions.html

It looks like it might be as fast as mine due to it being very high performance.

So I don't know why it would be clogged like that.

Very odd.

[Moonchild]

If using intel integrated graphics, this might be a driver issue