Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
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Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
Dropping support for 3rd-party full themes has been alluded to for quite awhile, but I was still sort of surprised it wasn't mentioned among the "Most notable user-facing/implementation changes". It certainly was the first thing I noted.
Also, I'm wondering if the following somewhat cryptic statement applies to the full themes: "Please understand that this gives more freedom for people to use potentially incompatible and old/insecure browser extensions, but also means we will have a more "hands-off" approach to it from this point forward which as a consequence means you will have to resolve more issues yourself and take more care, especially when using external/old extensions."
I've been resolving issues myself since Netscape, and if I know where I'm supposed to "take care", I certainly will. A bit more guidance would be helpful, though.
Thank you.
Also, I'm wondering if the following somewhat cryptic statement applies to the full themes: "Please understand that this gives more freedom for people to use potentially incompatible and old/insecure browser extensions, but also means we will have a more "hands-off" approach to it from this point forward which as a consequence means you will have to resolve more issues yourself and take more care, especially when using external/old extensions."
I've been resolving issues myself since Netscape, and if I know where I'm supposed to "take care", I certainly will. A bit more guidance would be helpful, though.
Thank you.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
It is simply not true that we are "dropping support for 3rd-party full themes." I don't know where you got that from. You should be more careful about jumping to conclusions based on skim reading long posts. Many themes are now abandoned except the ones now being supported by BinOC and FranklinDM. The Pale Moon 30 release was done somewhat ahead of schedule due to a pressing security issue, so qualifying extensions and language packs took first priority, since we did not have time to do everything we had planned.
Also, this is not the correct board for this topic anyway.
Also, this is not the correct board for this topic anyway.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
It hasn't, and I don't know where you got this idea.
Full themes are, and have always been, extremely version-specific for the obvious reason that full themes must match the application they apply to exactly. Nothing has changed in that respect. 3rd party full themes not targeting Pale Moon and the used version exactly have never been supported.
So any strange conclusions or concerns you have based on that premise are baseless.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
I'm not sure if fits anywhere, really.
The topic title for starters is poor enough that it feels deliberately vague.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
I updated from the last version to 30.
When l restarted, my theme was gone, and when l tried to reinstall it, l was told it was incompatible.
No theory, just practice.
Nonetheless, thanks for taking the time to reply.
When l restarted, my theme was gone, and when l tried to reinstall it, l was told it was incompatible.
No theory, just practice.
Nonetheless, thanks for taking the time to reply.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
So tell me then, in a practical sense, how a new milestone invalidating your strict compatibility theme equals "alluding to dropping support for 3rd party themes"?
That's a really, really big leap.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
'In a practial sense': in the old version, it worked; in the new one it doesn't.
My conclusion my be off the wall, but my practical observation remains the same.
My conclusion my be off the wall, but my practical observation remains the same.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
The topic title is vague?
Ummm, the topic title is a direct quote from your text.
Ummm, the topic title is a direct quote from your text.
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But good night ...
That's all for now, folks.
That's all for now, folks.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
Vague is the polite term. In fact it's BS.
Neither is it a "user-facing/implementation change" nor was support for themes dropped.
Since v30.0.0 is a milestone release, themes demanding strict compatibility will have to be modified accordingly.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
"Dropping support for 3rd-party full themes" implicitly suggests the team decided to stop supporting them forever. I think (not trying to be rude or a polemic) it was an unfortunate and unnecessary way of expressing your dissatisfaction with themes not having been updated by the theme developers to fit the newest version.
Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
Just out of interest..who will be performing the modifying.?
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
I've already contacted Lootyhoof via email about this. I'm still waiting for his response, but if he agrees, I'll be the one handling future updates to his themes and extensions.
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
Update about Lootyhoof's themes: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=28016
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Re: Most notable user-facing/implementation changes
I was able to solve my problem by updating the install.rdf. It also worked for 30.0.1.
I apologize for my incorrect assumption and apologize to the team for not having tried the simplest possible solution before writing my misguided posting.
I apologize for my incorrect assumption and apologize to the team for not having tried the simplest possible solution before writing my misguided posting.
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