Pale moon for Atom is slow

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Ultor

Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Ultor » 2015-09-12, 07:28

I used every tweaks, use an SSD, but on my netbook, Pale Moon is slow. There is not a version in assembly?

dark_moon

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by dark_moon » 2015-09-12, 08:57

If you use a SSD then you better upgrade your OS, because XP isn't optimized for SSDs.
Anyway XP is EOL.

And the harddisk isn't the "problem" with modern browsers. Its the CPU and internal memory.
And another thing is: Is your CPU a intel atom CPU? Then not, you have not the atom CPU optimization performance

Ultor

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Ultor » 2015-09-12, 09:12

Yes, I have Toshiba NB100 with upgrading 2 gb of ram... IE6 is amazing fast... Pale Moon portable... not. :(

dark_moon

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by dark_moon » 2015-09-12, 09:30

You should not using IE6 as the same reason like Win XP!
IE6 is now 14 years old and Microsoft stop the support for that at 8. April 2014. Same as with Win XP.

So i would say you better upgrade your OS. Maybe your browser is slow because your PC is already infected. It exist enough security holes in XP which are used and you can't protect yourself against it.
If you didn't like for example Windows7 then maybe take a look at Linux. Linux Mint is a nice and easy distri for new users and even easy for windows users.

Ultor

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Ultor » 2015-09-12, 09:40

The system is not infected ... I can not upgrade to Win7, because it is even slower.

dark_moon

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by dark_moon » 2015-09-12, 10:03

Did you try it? Win7 runs even with 2GB Ram good.
And you can try Linux.

Both are better then your security hole, Win XP.

Ultor

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Ultor » 2015-09-12, 10:13

You are strange, do Pale Moon for XP and Atom, and then recommended to upgrade to Windows 7. :(

dark_moon

Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by dark_moon » 2015-09-12, 10:17

Thats my opinion. Not the from Moonchild or Tobin.

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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Moonchild » 2015-09-12, 11:06

Pale Moon should run OK on an XP netbook with 2GB of RAM. It won't be super-fast because modern browsers are heavy applications, so you'll have to be conservative with what you use it for.

You cannot compare it to IE6 -- IE6 is a far cry from anything remotely modern or usable on today's web; of course it'll be faster because it is from a bygone era.
Off-topic:
Why are you still on IE6, anyway? If you are on XP, then you should be using IE8 (the last version of IE released for XP). The last major update to IE6 has been 7 years ago and it is a large security risk with many known and used exploits that can infect your computer with malware.
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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Ultor » 2015-09-12, 11:18

I keep IE6 to relieve the Windows interface, I don't use IE6.

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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Moonchild » 2015-09-12, 11:20

Ultor wrote:I keep IE6 to relieve the Windows interface, I don't use IE6.
Then don't pull it in as an argument?
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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Al6bus » 2015-09-12, 11:21

can u try http://archive.org/download/Pale_Moon_A ... e-20.3.exe ?
its more lighter for me than pm 24+ (ff 21+) :think:
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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Moonchild » 2015-09-12, 11:28

Al6bus wrote:can u try http://archive.org/download/Pale_Moon_A ... e-20.3.exe ?
its more lighter for me than pm 24+ (ff 21+) :think:
It's definitely not recommended to use Pale Moon 20.3 - too many critical issues have been solved since then!
It would serve the OP better to troubleshoot the root cause of slowdowns, which may be related to video hardware in the netbook or similar. Disabling hardware acceleration in Options -> Advanced is a good first thing to try if the built-in GPU is particularly weak.
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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Ultor » 2015-09-12, 11:49

Ok! I'll try to disable the HW acceleration ;)

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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Thehandyman1957 » 2015-09-13, 04:01

Moonchild wrote: It's definitely not recommended to use Pale Moon 20.3 - too many critical issues have been solved since then!
It would serve the OP better to troubleshoot the root cause of slowdowns, which may be related to video hardware in the netbook or similar. Disabling hardware acceleration in Options -> Advanced is a good first thing to try if the built-in GPU is particularly weak.
I would have to agree with Moonchild. My wife has a Compaq Presario SR1630NX Tower.
It is running XP Pro with 2 gigs of ram and it runs
Pale Moon Xp 25.7.0 without any noticeable slow down at all.
Screenshot - 9_12_2015 , 8_30_04 PM.png
The only real difference is that it has a ATI 256mb on board video card. :mrgreen:

Here are the specs to his Laptop.
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Here is the specs to his graphics card.
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After seeing this I can see why Windows 7 would run slow and would not recommend W7 for him.
His computer came with XP Home and has No upgrade ability. (Max ram 2Gb).
The graphics card is very very basic. It cannot even decode Mpeg4 video. :(
I could see this as being his biggest hurdle.

Now I use a SSD on my computer and sadly the motherboard does not have the ability to run it at it's max,
but it's still screaming fast :o compared to my older 7200 spin drive.
I have not noticed any problems with my SSD on Xp and I can't imagine that being the issue for this guy.
Luckily my drive came with software that gives me the Trim command ability in Xp. :thumbup:
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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by noir_ecaille » 2015-09-18, 12:18

Just a testimony.


Currently I have two laptops rather old : one with CPU at 2Ghz and RAM at 2Go, the other with CPU at 1,6 Ghz and the RAM at 512 Mo. Both run Windows XP. This means I use the ATOM version of PM :
  • Works correctly on the older one, though I use a lot QuickJava, RequestPolicy, etc and configuration "cuts" in order to make PM still usable despite the slowness.
  • Works at its "finest" on the less old one. I still use QuikJava, RequestPolicy, etc because it's handy and safer. I rarely experience slow-down to be honest -- most of pages load within eight to one second/s due to said configurations and addons.
By the way, using any OS whatever the version, is not safe as long as you're unaware of computer security matters. Just vaguely "knowing" about things called "viruses" and other "malwares" won't save you. You must configure it properly -- the same way that buying a dog won't make it a guard dog, you must correctly "tame" your own OS (and your own habits) so you'll avoid at least the less cunning malwares.

As for Windows XP... Yes, there are holes like any other OS. Yes, Microsoft has stopped to update it. Still for the only time I asked a technician to help me (due to *coughing* an unfortunate coffee accident with my keyboard), he didn't do much much but above all he checked the malware/privacy aspect yet didn't find any identified malwares or noticable software problems on my laptop. I might change of laptop some (far...) day... Till then I'll just make "my all" to avoid what I can...


Concerning the use of older versions of some extension, as already said there it is not automatically a big security or stability problem. For the security's/privacy's most useful and optimized ones, let's hope some future (in-coming?) pretty nice forks in the same way that emerged AdBlock Lattitude :thumbup:

Also I would advise people to talk more about PM with their surrounding : as well to help people as also to other interest (shelter?) extensions developers into our browser :)

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Re: Pale moon for Atom is slow

Unread post by Thehandyman1957 » 2015-09-18, 23:15

noir_ecaille wrote: By the way, using any OS whatever the version, is not safe as long as you're unaware of computer security matters. Just vaguely "knowing" about things called "viruses" and other "malwares" won't save you. You must configure it properly -- the same way that buying a dog won't make it a guard dog, you must correctly "tame" your own OS (and your own habits) so you'll avoid at least the less cunning malwares.
;) Truer word could not be spoken. I've had people computers that I had to fix with tons of virus's and malwares and they were updated to the max and had good Antivirus software. It's all on how you use your machine and where ya go. :mrgreen: