Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

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Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby ali215215 » Tue, 05 Sep 2017, 03:35

Hi
Why do not you support other Windows XP-based Windows Server 2003 clients?
1. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 is still upgraded and its security screws are updated as often.
2-By Firefox's own, Windows Server 2003 and XP are also well-supported, why do not you support?
3 Many users still use Windows 2003 on their networks, why not support and not upgrade your browser?
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Minimize Windows Server 2003 to prevent users from getting into trouble
Usually in undeveloped countries, Windows XP and Server 2003 still have many users; for example, my passion for Iran
If you plan to install the new update for 2003 and XP, be sure to go faster because there are a lot of problems.
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby Moonchild » Tue, 05 Sep 2017, 08:33

ali215215 wrote:1. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 is still upgraded and its security screws are updated as often.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/windows-server-2003
"Windows Server 2003 extended support ended on July 14, 2015"

ali215215 wrote:2-By Firefox's own, Windows Server 2003 and XP are also well-supported, why do not you support?

http://www.palemoon.org/PM_end_of_WinXP_support.shtml
Also, Firefox no longer supports XP in their release products (they also don't support Vista any longer, that we still do)
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/end-support-windows-xp-and-vista

ali215215 wrote:3 Many users still use Windows 2003 on their networks, why not support and not upgrade your browser?

Because of (1) and (2). 8-)
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby illiad » Tue, 05 Sep 2017, 15:19

just have a look on amazon, there are plenty of 'windows 7 licence's for sale around £20.. **make sure you check feedback first!!**
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby ali215215 » Wed, 06 Sep 2017, 04:35

There is no problem with Windows XP now
Still, a lot of people all over the world have used Windows 2003 and the Firefox Firewall problem is heavy because they work harder and easier with your browser.
You must at least have Windows Server 2003, because this Windows is different from Windows XP and Vista
Be sure to have epidemic for 2003
Or
Create a specific version of Windows 2003 for use
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby Moonchild » Wed, 06 Sep 2017, 08:46

People, moving from XP to 2003 will not change the fact that it's discontinued. They are both based on the same NT kernel family (NT 5) and have the same reasons apply to them as far as Pale Moon is concerned.
What you're doing is moving from a desktop OS to a server OS, with a different set of tools included with it. There is no fundamental difference at the kernel level between the two.

We have discontinued support for XP and other operating systems of the same era, that are all building on NT 5 technology. Period.
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby Thehandyman1957 » Wed, 06 Sep 2017, 17:35

I was an avid XP user for a long time and dragged my feet forever before moving to W7 last month.

And though there are a few things I miss, (like having two task bars, one on top and one on the bottom) (What the heck M$) :wtf:

I have since been able to get past that with free docking software.

The point being, PM 27.4.2 solved all my issues with web browsing that I had with v26.

There is just some things that can't be done anymore with NT5 and it's not worth the time for the team

to keep trying to patch it for a kernel that is simply outdated and seen it's day.

The writing is on the wall, it's time to move on.

Though, I have to say. This will be the last upgrade I do in Windows. ;)
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby GigaWatt » Thu, 28 Sep 2017, 07:21

Moonchild wrote:What you're doing is moving from a desktop OS to a server OS, with a different set of tools included with it. There is no fundamental difference at the kernel level between the two.

The 2003 R2 kernel is more stable... and it supports PAE out of the box. Someone would have hacked the PAE lock under XP too, if it wasn't for layers of encryption around that part of the code.

That being said, I have no idea if those things are considered as a fundamental difference between the two kernels.

I still use 2003 R2 as a workstation OS on one of my PCs. Works fine with an older version of PM.

Thehandyman1957 wrote:And though there are a few things I miss, (like having two task bars, one on top and one on the bottom) (What the heck M$) :wtf:

I think you can bring that back with True Launch Bar. I actually missed the option to add a toolbar at the top of the screen. Vista still had this option but Win7/2008R2 didn't, so the best solution I found was using TLB.

Thehandyman1957 wrote:Though, I have to say. This will be the last upgrade I do in Windows. ;)

That's what I thought too... and than I gave Win8 and 10 a chance :roll: :D. Remove the bloathware/spyware and you'll see, they're not that bad ;).
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby NT Five » Thu, 12 Oct 2017, 00:33

GigaWatt wrote:Someone would have hacked the PAE lock under XP too, if it wasn't for layers of encryption around that part of the code.

The "PAE lock" in the XP SP3 kernel has been unlocked. There is a 64 GB chinese patch floating around on the net and more recently "Dibya" created a 128 GB patch.
There seem to be minor stabilty issues with some drivers/hardware but these patches appear to do their job.

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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby mainziman » Tue, 19 Dec 2017, 13:46

GigaWatt wrote:The 2003 R2 kernel is more stable... and it supports PAE out of the box.

do you mean with PAE the support of more than 4 GB of RAM with 32-bit?
Win 2000 AS supported 8 GB of RAM ...

the reason why Win 20000 Prof (the Desktop counterpart) didn't and WinXP does not support more than 4 GB of RAM can be found
in the buggy driver support for hardware;
I found a patch for Win 7 32-bit with which I could use 16 GB of RAM ...
as this was a virtual machine and there was no 3rd party device driver this worked stable ...
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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby satrow » Tue, 19 Dec 2017, 20:00

The MS Windows x86 4GB limit is down to their licensing restrictions.

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Re: Why did you get these troubles and problems for users without supporting Windows Server 2003?

Postby Moonchild » Tue, 19 Dec 2017, 21:54

For the record: XP supports PAE and 4GT. How much memory is actually addressable depends, are satrow stated , on license restrictions, but is not a technical limit.
Even so, all of that is actually unrelated to the subject of this thread, and the fact remains that both server and workstation versions of NT 5.1 are discontinued.
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