PM & NoScript

[JoeJoe99]

I've finally been forced to leave behind FF ESR 52.9.0 and have transitioned to PM x64 33.4.0.1.

Does PM still have problems with NoScript? The last discussion on the subject looks like it is back in 2018.

Can I upgrade to the latest NS version in this browser now?

[suzyne]

There is a more recent thread viewtopic.php?f=46&t=30927

It looks like NoScript is not supported on Pale Moon, and that situation will only change if the original NoScript developer chooses to update their add-on. It is not the responsibility (or interest) of anyone here to get the two working together.

[moonbat]

NoScript will break the browser and waste both yours & everyone else's time when you inevitably show up about sites not working. eMatrix, forked from the now defunct uMatrix is the better alternative. If you insist on using NoScript (as many others here have), don't ask or expect any help on the forum with any problems you might face.
The last version of NoScript that worked with Pale Moon is from 2017 or so. Pay close attention to the official disclaimer at the bottom of the page. Just to reiterate - getting NoScript to work with Pale Moon is not and never will be the Pale Moon developers' responsibility.

It looks like NoScript is not supported on Pale Moon

It doesn't 'look like', it's been years since it wasn't supported.

[ron_1]

Can I upgrade to the latest NS version in this browser now?

You do know that you cannot use current Firefox extensions in Pale Moon, right? Pale Moon has its own extension site. The closest thing to NoScript would be either ScriptBlock (a fork of YesScript), or ηMatrix (a fork of μMatrix)

[Moonchild]

In v33 NoScript is causing crashes with basic operations that are not intermittent and cannot be worked around.
Since the extension is causing crashes and data loss for users with basic use of the browser, it has been blocked in Pale Moon.

Capable alternatives exist. You can use those.

[moonbat]

The closest thing to NoScript would be either ScriptBlock (a fork of YesScript), or ηMatrix (a fork of μMatrix)

Scriptblock is a hammer to ηMatrix's scalpel. Most 'modern' websites are entirely generated with Javascript and would be unusable if it is completely disabled.

[frostknight]

In v33 NoScript is causing crashes with basic operations that are not intermittent and cannot be worked around.

Well its not being updated anymore... so...

I think that goes without saying that it would eventually break at some point.

And yeah, noscript truly is deprecated at this point. Its really not needed anymore.

I was an avid noscript user till I started using ematrix in 2022. I started in xp days though.

point being, for anyone who sees this response, I hope they open their eyes. Hope this takes some irritation off of you Moonchild.

Then again, no idea if people will listen.

[moonbat]

Hope this takes some irritation off of you Moonchild.

The irritation is when they show up here asking for help after NoScript breaks their profile. That has been the stand from the beginning - if you are smart enough to use an abandoned addon instead of the recommended alternative, you can be smart enough to fix any problems it creates by yourself.

[frostknight]

The irritation is when they show up here asking for help after NoScript breaks their profile. That has been the stand from the beginning - if you are smart enough to use an abandoned addon instead of the recommended alternative, you can be smart enough to fix any problems it creates by yourself.

That was my point. I used that for like 15 years and was able to learn ematrix within a reasonable amount of time.

People would be wise to do this.

[moonbat]

NoScript was notorious for borking profiles even during Firefox's heyday. I ran into problems with it when on FF 3.5 or 3.6 and never touched it since.

[andyprough]

That was my point. I used that for like 15 years and was able to learn ematrix within a reasonable amount of time.

People would be wise to do this.

I was slow to switch over also, but when I did I fell in love with eMatrix, I really prefer its features and UI.

I like it enough that I've installed the deprecated uMatrix on the privacy Firefox fork I sometimes use (Trisquel's Abrowser). I assume that the deprecated uMatrix is much like uBlock Origin - an old version will still work fine as long as its Hosts Files are auto-updating, and as long as I occasionally check to see if different Hosts Files should be in use.

[vannilla]

NoScript was notorious for borking profiles even during Firefox's heyday. I ran into problems with it when on FF 3.5 or 3.6 and never touched it since.

Some time ago it was discovered that NoScript hooks into some internal functions to the point the data they work on can be inconsistent at any given point in time, leading to crashes and corruption.
There's a very high chance this behaviour has always existed since the very first release, if it corrupted even early Firefox versions.

I assume that the deprecated uMatrix is much like uBlock Origin - an old version will still work fine as long as its Hosts Files are auto-updating, and as long as I occasionally check to see if different Hosts Files should be in use.

No, eMatrix can work even without hosts files. They are provided as convenience to ensure certain "dangerous" hosts are hard-blocked by default.
Even out of the box, if you disable every hosts file and never update them (or the extension, for what matter), you'd still be protected. It might be less effective without per-site configuration, but it won't "fall behind" the de-evolution of the WWW.

[andyprough]

No, eMatrix can work even without hosts files. They are provided as convenience to ensure certain "dangerous" hosts are hard-blocked by default.
Even out of the box, if you disable every hosts file and never update them (or the extension, for what matter), you'd still be protected. It might be less effective without per-site configuration, but it won't "fall behind" the de-evolution of the WWW.

That's great to know! So uMatrix should be good to use for years, even in its abandoned state.

[4td8s]

I've already ditched noscript in PM several years ago since I'm already aware of the problems it causes in PM

time for the mods to completely close & lock this thread
there's no need for further discussion on this

[moonbat]

there's no need for further discussion on this

Unfortunately people keep returning to ask about this, or let slip that they're using NoScript while one is trying to help them troubleshoot.

[Moonchild]

More attention to this topic than there needs to be, IMHO. OP posted a day ago and here we are wasting our time going on on a topic by someone who hasn't replied yet
Let's just wait for OP to weigh in, at least, before locking.

[therube]

(Since no one has wanted to say ...)

33.4.0.1 x64, Win7 x64

& then I threw in NoScript 5.1.9
(& then uBlock Origin 1.16.4.30 - because even with NoScript, the "web" still requires more)
(& I disabled smooth scrolling - I get a much better experience with it disabled)
set NoScript to (automatically) [temporarily] allow top-level-sites (Base 2nd level domains) [something I would not do, normally]

Visited the older "crash" threads (here at PM), visited the crashing links therein, opened local videos (directly), then haphazardly went about browsing, typical haunts (oh wait, it's not 10-31, yet), & random whatevers, including some video sites.

And except for the a crash the moment I first installed NoScript (during the installation itself - & I found that very odd), I have not run into any issues in 2 days running like that (knock, knock).


And of course, YMMV.

[moonbat]

I have not run into any issues in 2 days running like that (knock, knock).

Give it time. Unpredictable behavior is exactly that.

[vannilla]

Give it time. Unpredictable behavior is exactly that.

Crashing on installation is pretty fast!