Biscuit addon (cookie protection)

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-17, 10:50

I have used this addon for many years even before Palemoon. When PM v26.0 was released it became broken. No cookies would show in the cookie manager interface. I would just load 25.8.1 when I needed to edit cookies. When PM 27.0 was released biscuit again started to work correctly And I was happy for that. Now with the release of PM 28.0 it is broken once again with the same problem, no cookies will show in cookie management. They are there but will not show up in the interface. Biscuit is also broken in a new profile with only the one addon installed.

This in my opinion is the best addon for protecting cookies from being deleted since it integrates with the builtin cookie manager. Since there is no support for it and it hasn't been updated in 2 years, I am hoping some one here would try to fork this addon and make it compatible with PM 28x.

I really don't want to use a big bulky cookie addon to protect the hundred or so cookies I need saved, mostly forum logins and other site logins, so I am logged in automatically when I open the pages.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-18, 13:56

OK I tried Cookie Culler to protect some cookies and it really doesn't protect anything. Only if your deleting cookies in Cookie Culler. If deleted from PM cookie Manager or by cCleaner or any other cleaner the protected cookies are also deleted.

Anyone have a suggestion for protecting certian Cookies from being deleted?

TIA Bill

Unread post by **Isengrim** » 2018-08-18, 15:44

I doubt there's any add-on that will protect against cookies being cleaned using CCleaner, since CCleaner is a separate application operating outside of the browser.

Off-topic:
I also don't recommend using CCleaner anymore, after the last few debacles.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-18, 16:50

Biscuit does since it saves the protected cookies in a separate cookies.sqlite file in a folder called Biscuit in the profile. Cleaners don't look for this protected file.
I have used Biscuit for many years and still have the protected cookies. The only thing wrong is that NO cookies will show in PMs Cookie Manager even though they are still there. This also happened in PM v26 but was rectified in v27. It would take someone with more knowledge than I to make it work again.

Bill

Frasier · Unread post by **Frasier** » 2018-08-18, 21:24

Maybe use a cookie manager in Pale Moon but configure CCleaner to not delete cookies. At one time CCleaner recognized Pale Moon cookies, but now sees them as if they were FireFox cookies.

Off-topic:
I use an old version of CCleaner, v4.16.4763.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-18, 22:36

I too am using a old version of cCleaner, v5.32 before Avast took it over.
Not being able to protect all those forum and website cookies would mean having to delete cookies a few at a time and never using a cleaner. Using the addon Biscuit (don't know why it was named that) meant setting cookies to delete on close or using a system cleaner never deleted those protected login cookies.
I have searched AMO and found nothing that would work. Those saved cookies just meant I never had to login when accessing a site, and they still work even though some have been expired five years or more. On any site you login to and select the Remember Me option sets the login cookies that need to be protected.

doofy · Unread post by **doofy** » 2018-08-18, 23:05

billmcct wrote:Using the addon Biscuit (don't know why it was named that)

Cookies are either txt files a web site dumps on your puter, or they are small edible things.

Americans call the edible things cookies; Brits call them biscuits.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-18, 23:13

I was aware of that but the developer is in Japan. LOL

doofy · Unread post by **doofy** » 2018-08-18, 23:19

billmcct wrote:I was aware of that but the developer is in Japan. LOL

Japanese loan word from the Brits.

http://www.lexisrex.com/Japanese/Words/biscuit

riiis · Unread post by **riiis** » 2018-08-19, 02:14

billmcct wrote:Biscuit does since it saves the protected cookies in a separate cookies.sqlite file in a folder called Biscuit in the profile. Cleaners don't look for this protected file.
I have used Biscuit for many years and still have the protected cookies. The only thing wrong is that NO cookies will show in PMs Cookie Manager even though they are still there. This also happened in PM v26 but was rectified in v27. It would take someone with more knowledge than I to make it work again.

In Biscuit's chrome.manifest file, Biscuit tries to override Pale Moon's cookies file. Apparently, cookies do not show, when Biscuit is enabled, because this attempted override fails.

CookieKeeper also protects cookies and is compatible with Pale Moon. CookieKeeper appears to keep protected cookies in its "cookiekeeper.json" file.

If you use CCleaner to delete unwanted cookies, be sure to protect cookies you want to keep, in CCleaner itself, beforehand. AFAIK Biscuit does not prevent CCleaner from deleting cookies, but only restores "protected" cookies after they had been deleted.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-19, 11:23

riiis wrote:CookieKeeper also protects cookies and is compatible with Pale Moon. CookieKeeper appears to keep protected cookies in its "cookiekeeper.json" file.

If you use CCleaner to delete unwanted cookies, be sure to protect cookies you want to keep, in CCleaner itself, beforehand. AFAIK Biscuit does not prevent CCleaner from deleting cookies, but only restores "protected" cookies after they had been deleted.

Thanks riiis, I did try Cookiekeeper back when Biscuit failed in PM v26. At my age I just can't seem to remember how it worked out, not well I suspect since I uninstalled it.
Will give it a shot again. Biscuit is just an easier way to do this since it integrates with the native cookie manager just adds a protection checkmark next to the bookmarks.
You never really know it's there since you don't have to access a separate interface to use it.

Bill

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-25, 11:56

I can report that CookieKeeper is working well as a replacement. Couldn't find a way to import the saved cookies though but am well on the way to rebuilding the store.

Bill

riiis · Unread post by **riiis** » 2018-08-25, 16:13

billmcct wrote:Couldn't find a way to import the saved cookies

My understanding was that you had all your cookies in PM27, or could use the Biscuit extension to restore them. If so, cookies should carry over from PM27 to PM28 just fine. However, if you started in PM28 with a fresh profile, and you still have your old profile or backup, you should be able to copy your cookies.sqlite file from your old user profile, to your new PM28 user profile. Before doing so, first backup your PM28 cookies.sqlite file and make sure that all versions of Pale Moon are closed.

AFAIK CookieKeeper does not protect cookies from manual or 3rd party deletion (such as deletion from CCleaner). Nor does CookieKeeper backup cookies. Nor does CookieKeeper restore cookies, including those cookies shown on the CookieKeeper protected list. Accordingly, you might want to install and use additional cookie management extension(s) to backup and restore cookies (such as Advanced Cookie Manager or Cookies Manager+). Note that "Advanced Cookie Manager" and "Cookies Manager+" both backup and restore cookies using text files of standard cookies format. Biscuit may have used this same text format. So perhaps, but not for certain, "Advanced Cookie Manager" or "Cookies Manager+" could be used to restore the Biscuit cookie file as well.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-25, 17:04

riiis, I did use Cookie Manager+ in my PM 27.9.4 portable and exported the cookie file but it only saved about 15 cookies out of 100+. Not sure how Biscuit works but I suspect Cookie Manager couldn't see the separate Biscuit cookies.sqlite file. I overwrote v27 when I installed v28 so I used the portable which used an identical profile as v27. This was the first thing I tried. I will see what Cookie Manager+ exports in v28 with the protected cookies from CoolieKeeper. If all goes well I will at least have a backup.

Bill

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-25, 17:21

Yes Cookie Manager+ did export all the 42 protected cookies so I'm good to go. Would be great if CookieKeeper had this function.
I have always had cCleaner set not to delete Firefox or Palemoon ( and yes it still shows Palemoon for me) cookies so shouldn't be a problem.
I also have Cobian Backup 11 set to auto backup all my browser and other program settings including appdata\roaming once a day.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-25, 17:38

Set cCleaner to delete Palemoon cookies and all cookies were deleted including the protected ones. Reimported from the backup and they were all showing as protected again. Guess that will work for now.

Bill

coffeebreak · Unread post by **coffeebreak** » 2018-08-25, 21:23

billmcct wrote:I can report that CookieKeeper is working well as a replacement. Couldn't find a way to import the saved cookies though

billmcct wrote:Yes Cookie Manager+ did export all the 42 protected cookies so I'm good to go. Would be great if CookieKeeper had this function.

Cookiekeeper does have that function.
Open "Show cookies" > click the hamburger menu in the upper R corner for a dropdown menu to export/import.

billmcct · Unread post by **billmcct** » 2018-08-25, 22:39

coffeebreak wrote: Cookiekeeper does have that function.

Thank you, didn't think to look there. I think I'm getting senile in my old age.

doofy · Unread post by **doofy** » 2018-08-25, 22:44

billmcct wrote:I think I'm getting senile in my old age.

Getting senile in your young age is a problem; otherwise it is simply expected behaviour.

bawldiggle · Unread post by **bawldiggle** » 2018-10-07, 08:43

Biscuit 2.5.2 is broken in PM v28.1.0 also

- the only place it appears is in "Troubleshooting Information" window as "Disabled"
- deleted "biscuit@nuko.org.xpi" ... in C:\Users\<owner>\AppData\Roaming\Moonchild Productions\Pale Moon\Profiles\xxxxxx.default\extensions\

And yet Biscuit works 100% perfectly in Fox ESR 52.2.0 (ie Classic Fox v54) ... the last classic Fox before Australis

I wonder what has changed in PM recently that does not suit 2 year old Biscuit

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