Re: Want to talk about NoScript? Post here.
Posted: 2018-05-12, 21:25
I presume you mean my post at the end of the last page.... 
Yea, I don't know why Pale Moon couldn't have just left it at this (warning by Moonchild): Important: NoScript users and our support which would have sufficed and avoided taking it a step further creating all of this unnecessary animosity toward Pale Moon such as: [Pale Moon] PM dissing NoScript? and this Pale Moon] Stability Issue w/ NoScript and this Pale Moon]All new Palemoon 27.9.1 is out (stardate: 20180507) and on and on everywhere you look (besides all of the negative reactions on the Pale Moon boards)....
.... like what was said in this NoScript board topic: Are Pale Moon users out of luck?
Not at all a smart way to retain their current user base and more importantly perhaps not at all a recommended way to win over more users to the Pale Moon browser. It's important to consider the impact of what decisions like this will be toward what really matters -- living up to the principles of Pale Moon as far as providing a browser that offers the most choice and at the same time keep browsing safe of which in this specific case regarding this add-on there is not any real security risk of any kind but rather the impetus behind all of this was that the add-on was a "bother" more than anything.
.... well then -- just redirect the "bother" to the NoScript board (linked above in RED) ---- problem solved! 
ADDENDUM: What I've attempted to do is offer what I personally consider constructive suggestions as far as doing things a little different that would include some degree of focus on avoiding conflict with otherwise loyal Pale Moon users regardless of how small those number of users might actually be. I would argue an approach that certain numbers of Pale Moon users are perhaps expendable or do not need to be taken seriously is misguided and does nothing more than promote unnecessary acrimony in my humble opinion. If I'm wrong on this -- well I've been wrong many times before over my life-time -- but if there is a modicum of good sense in what I say then I contend a preferred path would be to minimally consider what I've had to say as opposed to taking what I say as nothing other than antagonistic. My intentions have nothing to do with promoting rancor but rather my intentions have everything to do with what I personally feel is the best approach to take for the benefit of Pale Moon in a positive way. For those who presume I have inimical intentions -- ask yourself -- what would be the point? Clearly as a person who chose to become a loyal Pale Moon user and who appreciates very much what Pale Moon has to offer, as so many others who contribute to this board I'm certain feel as well, it only makes sense that my intentions are only to be fully supportive of Pale Moon as opposed to assuming my intentions to be in some way adversarial. Just taking a moment to think about it -- why would I spend so much of my personal time on this board if my intentions were not intended to be supportive and want what is best for Pale Moon? And I would add that it clearly makes equal sense that Pale Moon support has the best of intentions as well of which I fully recognize. So we have a difference of opinion which as we know will very often happen to all who have the best of intentions. So with the understanding that all sides of the spectrum of opinion on this topic would be looking from the perspective of what is an honest appraisal of what is best for Pale Moon -- I find it very odd that my opinions are met with such rancor and open hostility from some Pale Moon staff when it would seem to me I have not at all expressed an equivalent sense of rancor or hostility in the other direction but rather intended only to respectfully suggest what might have been in my opinion a better alternate approach to the issue. I've taken some time to consider all sides and can say that while it seems some may take things a little too personal (which is frankly not the first time) I will still happily remain dedicated to Pale Moon and as such continue to remain a loyal and appreciative user which includes always putting in a plug for Pale Moon at every opportunity. And as a loyal Pale Moon user I will say that I DO care for all other loyal users regardless of differences of opinions and at the same time will remain hopeful that Pale Moon maintains its focus on providing users with full array of choices as far as what each may want in a browser which I think we can all agree is critical to the success of Pale Moon as reflected by what all of us Pale Moon users have been drawn to Pale Moon in the first place.... But I have say with all candor that some of the rhetoric I've seen from Pale Moon including both in this topic and privately does unfortunately leave somewhat of a bad taste behind and as such naturally dampens to some extent former enthusiasm toward the support of Pale Moon I've previously had which I hope in time can eventually be ameliorated.
Yea, I don't know why Pale Moon couldn't have just left it at this (warning by Moonchild): Important: NoScript users and our support which would have sufficed and avoided taking it a step further creating all of this unnecessary animosity toward Pale Moon such as: [Pale Moon] PM dissing NoScript? and this Pale Moon] Stability Issue w/ NoScript and this Pale Moon]All new Palemoon 27.9.1 is out (stardate: 20180507) and on and on everywhere you look (besides all of the negative reactions on the Pale Moon boards)....
.... like what was said in this NoScript board topic: Are Pale Moon users out of luck?
Why not simply provide the initial warning (linked above - top link and leave it at that) and furthermore simply redirect users with NS problems to the NoScript board -- where you can see there are numerous (9) specific topic threads dedicated to NoScript issues.... Was it really necessary to come off so strong as illustrated in the Pale Moon link provided in this reply above? Clearly a significant over reaction by Pale Moon support titillating what you would in all fairness expect in my opinion -- an over reaction by their own Pale Moon browser users and for that matter all users in the internet community in general.barbaz wrote:I notice they didn't say what specifically the security/stability issues are, nor why the Pale Moon folks couldn't just direct NoScript issues to this forum. And it seems no one on the Pale Moon forum thought to even ask.
http://blocklist.palemoon.org/info/?id=pm112
Not at all a smart way to retain their current user base and more importantly perhaps not at all a recommended way to win over more users to the Pale Moon browser. It's important to consider the impact of what decisions like this will be toward what really matters -- living up to the principles of Pale Moon as far as providing a browser that offers the most choice and at the same time keep browsing safe of which in this specific case regarding this add-on there is not any real security risk of any kind but rather the impetus behind all of this was that the add-on was a "bother" more than anything.
.... well then -- just redirect the "bother" to the NoScript board (linked above in RED
) ---- problem solved! ADDENDUM: What I've attempted to do is offer what I personally consider constructive suggestions as far as doing things a little different that would include some degree of focus on avoiding conflict with otherwise loyal Pale Moon users regardless of how small those number of users might actually be. I would argue an approach that certain numbers of Pale Moon users are perhaps expendable or do not need to be taken seriously is misguided and does nothing more than promote unnecessary acrimony in my humble opinion. If I'm wrong on this -- well I've been wrong many times before over my life-time -- but if there is a modicum of good sense in what I say then I contend a preferred path would be to minimally consider what I've had to say as opposed to taking what I say as nothing other than antagonistic. My intentions have nothing to do with promoting rancor but rather my intentions have everything to do with what I personally feel is the best approach to take for the benefit of Pale Moon in a positive way. For those who presume I have inimical intentions -- ask yourself -- what would be the point? Clearly as a person who chose to become a loyal Pale Moon user and who appreciates very much what Pale Moon has to offer, as so many others who contribute to this board I'm certain feel as well, it only makes sense that my intentions are only to be fully supportive of Pale Moon as opposed to assuming my intentions to be in some way adversarial. Just taking a moment to think about it -- why would I spend so much of my personal time on this board if my intentions were not intended to be supportive and want what is best for Pale Moon? And I would add that it clearly makes equal sense that Pale Moon support has the best of intentions as well of which I fully recognize. So we have a difference of opinion which as we know will very often happen to all who have the best of intentions. So with the understanding that all sides of the spectrum of opinion on this topic would be looking from the perspective of what is an honest appraisal of what is best for Pale Moon -- I find it very odd that my opinions are met with such rancor and open hostility from some Pale Moon staff when it would seem to me I have not at all expressed an equivalent sense of rancor or hostility in the other direction but rather intended only to respectfully suggest what might have been in my opinion a better alternate approach to the issue. I've taken some time to consider all sides and can say that while it seems some may take things a little too personal (which is frankly not the first time) I will still happily remain dedicated to Pale Moon and as such continue to remain a loyal and appreciative user which includes always putting in a plug for Pale Moon at every opportunity. And as a loyal Pale Moon user I will say that I DO care for all other loyal users regardless of differences of opinions and at the same time will remain hopeful that Pale Moon maintains its focus on providing users with full array of choices as far as what each may want in a browser which I think we can all agree is critical to the success of Pale Moon as reflected by what all of us Pale Moon users have been drawn to Pale Moon in the first place.... But I have say with all candor that some of the rhetoric I've seen from Pale Moon including both in this topic and privately does unfortunately leave somewhat of a bad taste behind and as such naturally dampens to some extent former enthusiasm toward the support of Pale Moon I've previously had which I hope in time can eventually be ameliorated.
