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Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby gracious1 » Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 01:46

As announced in another thread...


So Pale Moon is losing both NoScript and uMatrix. Is there an alternative to these?
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Thehandyman1957 » Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 02:56

My understanding is that Ublock is still working, using it myself with no problems.
As for NoScript, well I only use it for the XSS filtering anyway.

I also use Disconnect as it has some great filtering.
My guess at this point is that we may just have to settle for what we can get at this point. :think:
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby helloimustbegoing » Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 03:17

This is probably little consolation, but NoScript version 5.1.x (non-Webextension version) will be maintained as long as Firefox ESR 52 is active, which is till June 2018.

Source: https://noscript.net/getit

You can still download NoScript "Classic" (5.1.7) for Firefox 52 ESR here: it will be updated until June 2018, when ESR and the Tor Browser based on it will switch to 59.

But what's wrong with using an "old" version? I'm using version 2.9.5.3 and it works just as fine as the day it was released.

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Thehandyman1957 » Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 05:32

I was actually having problems with the newest available version of NoScript so I went back to version NoScript 2.9.0.11
I have been using for years and it works perfect. Sometimes the older stuff works just fine.
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby dark_moon » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 11:13

Thats bad. uBlock go then the same way like uMatrix i think.
This mean the best 2 adddons are not longer supportet for Pale Moon. Anybody test the webextension version with Basilisk?
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Sajadi » Fri, 24 Nov 2017, 12:11

Well, anyone who is interested in keeping the old versions around can fork and maintain the code on their own :)

Anyway, it was clear from the start that the developers would switch over to that Google Chrome tech garbage sooner or later, as Mozilla has become a fulltime Google shill without the wish to keep their own unique creation around :thumbdown:

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby helloimustbegoing » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 01:54

Some people might think this is dumb, but I see no reason why old versions of NoScript and uBlock Origin which work correctly can't continue to be used. Just as long as you keep the filter lists in uBo updated.

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Thehandyman1957 » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 04:46

helloimustbegoing wrote:Some people might think this is dumb, but I see no reason why old versions of NoScript and uBlock Origin which work correctly can't continue to be used. Just as long as you keep the filter lists in uBo updated.


I agree 100 percent on this one, It's not the program that needs to be always updated.
It's the filters. So as long as you can update the filters then use what ever works for you. ;)
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby gracious1 » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 10:43

Thehandyman1957 wrote:My understanding is that Ublock is still working

Thread title: uMatrix, not uBlock ;) ;) AFAIK Raymond Hill will continue to support XUL/XPCOM uBlock for the time being. Of course that could change, but for now, only uMatrix is going WebExt-only.

The point is, though, these are the only two programs I know that give you such a granularity of control, so down the road this could be a problem. Also, no security patches, so even though the old programs run, they might not be safe.
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Sajadi » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 12:04

And for this reason everyone who thinks they are capable of or are willing to learn the knowledge to do so, can fork them when the time has come ;)

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby tooshorttoolong » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 14:48

Sajadi wrote:And for this reason everyone who thinks they are capable of or are willing to learn the knowledge to do so, can fork them when the time has come ;)

You’ve already said that. It was useless the first time; it’s not any better the second one.

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby helloimustbegoing » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 17:11

gracious1 wrote:
Also, no security patches, so even though the old programs run, they might not be safe.

This brings up a good question. Has there ever been any malware or attacks through these extensions? Is it possible the 3 extensions being talked about here (uMatrix, uBo, NoScript) can be targeted in such a way? If it were, I'd suspect it would have already have happened, being that they are among the most popular extensions (at least two of them, anyway).
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Moonraker » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 17:14

tooshorttoolong wrote:
Sajadi wrote:And for this reason everyone who thinks they are capable of or are willing to learn the knowledge to do so, can fork them when the time has come ;)

You’ve already said that. It was useless the first time; it’s not any better the second one.

Not nearly as useless and pointless as your reply. :P
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby Sajadi » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 20:29

tooshorttoolong wrote:You’ve already said that. It was useless the first time; it’s not any better the second one.


Useless? Not at all. Just meant to say instead of being worried or later angry that Pale Moon does not support the add-ons of choice anymore (this place has been at that point already countless of times, and tons of times it got nasty and unpleasant because of that) that people are encouraged to take things into their own hands. This is no magic or Chinese language. A small browser project sometimes requires the users who want to keep their add-ons or want their features they value implemented to get going on their own, deliver patches or fork stuff they want (to keep).

And there are enough resources online to make things like that possible :)

Nothing more, nothing less. No offense :)

But it is always an option people are forgetting about and it is quite a lot resulting an accusations or complaining in the end when it happens. 8-) So, sometimes sending a reminder (or 2) is not a bad idea, you never know who is reading or willing to take things into their own hands.

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby back2themoon » Sat, 25 Nov 2017, 21:53

Guys, stick to the point please. Disconnect was mentioned, I see it's available both as an extension and Windows program. Does it use HTTPS filtering like Adguard for example?
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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby tooshorttoolong » Sun, 26 Nov 2017, 13:27

Sajadi wrote:A small browser project sometimes requires the users who want to keep their add-ons or want their features they value implemented to get going on their own, deliver patches or fork stuff they want (to keep).

You’re correct of course. Sorry for being aggressive before.

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Re: Alternatives to uMatrix and NoScript

Postby gracious1 » Wed, 06 Dec 2017, 04:03

As it turns out, we don't quite need an alternative to uMatrix yet! 8-) From another thread:

ketmar wrote:as i said, what GH did is stopped publishing xpis for XUL-based framework. all the code is still there, and Pale Moon (XUL, actually) support is not removed. anyone is free to build correct xpi from uMatrix source code.


To that end, here's a tutorial on just that for PM users who want to install uMatrix from source code:
How to install uMatrix in Pale Moon 27 for GNU/Linux (Ubuntu).

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