Compatibility Reports for Post-v25 Pale Moon

[GMforker]

Ok, you're gonna have to explain that in a way that a computer hardware repair tech, who sucks at coding and logic, can understand what you typed. I take it you're telling me that there is something that can be edited, somewhere, but I haven't a clue where to go to do that.

e.g. (ad "Save Images 1.1.0.3"):

The file chrome\content\SIOverlay.js - list of changes:

1) Line 9:

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isWindows: true, si_isMac: false, FFv14plus: true, FFv32plus: false, FFv36plus: false, SMv229plus: false,

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isWindows: true, si_isMac: false, FFv14plus: true, FFv32plus: false, FFv36plus: false, SMv229plus: false, PMv27plus: false,

2) Line 639:

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if (this.FFv32plus || this.SMv229plus)

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if (this.FFv32plus || this.SMv229plus || this.PMv27plus)

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if (this.FFv32plus || this.SMv229plus) {

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if (this.FFv32plus || this.SMv229plus || this.PMv27plus) {

4) Line 1529:

Insert this line after "si_getFirefoxVersion: function(){":

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const PALEMOON_ID = "{8de7fcbb-c55c-4fbe-bfc5-fc555c87dbc4}";

5) Line 1543(1544):

Insert this lines after "this.SMv229plus = versionChecker.compare(appInfo.version, '2.29') >= 0;":

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} else
if (appID == PALEMOON_ID) {
this.PMv27plus = versionChecker.compare(appInfo.version, '27') >= 0;

[patchel]

Name: foxamp
Type: Extension
Issue: It's installed but does not appear on status bar
Cause:
Workaround:
AMO: http://www.owenrudge.net/utils/foxamp

[patchel]

It works. The status bar had been hidden for some reason.

[BrianA_MN]

Name: PassiFox on Win10 with KeePass 2.32 and KeepassHTTP plugin
Type: Password Security Extension
Issue: Extension no-longer auto-fills username and passwords in Pale Moon v27.0.2 with Firefox/Gecko/Native mode agent identification
Cause: Unknown. Was working in v25.
Workaround: Using the KeePass Auto-Type feature or KeeFox extension. Verified PasslFox+KeePass is still working properly with Firefox and Seamonkey (I tested his because when upgrading to v27 I also installed CryptoPrevent on this computer). KeePass Auto-Type feature will fill the fields however extra steps are involved including opening Keepass, searching for the website and then right clicking and selecting "AUTO TYPE" for that website. With more than 150 site passwords this is a lot of extra steps. PasslFox elminates those steps and through a pre-authorized step used with Palemoon v25 and KeepassHTTP, Keepass would sense when Palemoon was on a login page and would supply the username and passoword (autofilling) automatically. It seems that either the KeepassHTTP port is being blocked OR the PaleMoon identification to KeepassHTTP has changed so Palemoon doesn't have access to the database any longer. I also tried the KeeFox extenstion, and each time Pale Moon starts KeeFox pops-up a screen requiring a login generated password to be typed, but the window with the password is hidden behind Pale Moon and only seen when using ALT+TAB. Then after the password is typed the status bar, located below the bookmarks bar at the top, doesn't change to colour (as indicated by the extension developer) but stays grey. Although KeeFox requires the startup password, after that additional step it then provides the auto-fill as Passifox use to do in v25.
AMO: https://github.com/pfn/passifox

[BrianA_MN]

Problem found, I had inadvertently changed Pale Moon to "not remember" passwords, once changed back then the KeepassHTTP connection works fine. Sorry for the misinformation. KeePass with the PasslFox and KeepassHTTP are working correctly on WIN10 Ultimate and Pale Moon v27.0.2.

[pmBill]

{snip ("Save Images 1.1.0.3") }

THANKS for doing that.

Your name suggests a forked Greasemonkey.

Do you have one that will work with PM27??

[Trapper]

{snip ("Save Images 1.1.0.3") }

Your name suggests a forked Greasemonkey.

Do you have one that will work with PM27??

https://github.com/janekptacijarabaci/g ... y/releases

[pmBill]

{snip ("Save Images 1.1.0.3") }

Your name suggests a forked Greasemonkey.

Do you have one that will work with PM27??

https://github.com/janekptacijarabaci/g ... y/releases

Thanks. I didn't know that existed.

Are we supposed to download the .ZIP, rename it to .XPI, and open it in PM?

Is it somewhere "official" like where we get other extensions?

Never mind, I found it. And it found my old userscripts, so that is VERY nice.

So now the PM27 upgrade is okay. (I'm still missing a few extensions, and my favorite theme, but it's not horrible like it was)

[deChat]

Name: Session Manager 0.8.17 (on Pale Moon 26.5.0)
Type: Extension
Issue: Sessions are only partially recovered. (I am currently using PM 26.5.0) What I mean by this is that
1) When I had two windows, one window was fully restored but the other had only one tab restored;
2) When I moved all tabs to one window, only one tab was restored in the main tab group (the one that opened by default) and the other tab groups had either just one tab or no tabs (the tab groups previously had dozens or even hundreds of tabs).
This behavior occurs regardless of whether Pale Moon was closed properly or crashed. Session manager did a good job of saving the closed/crashed tabs in their .session files (verified by trying to "load session" and spot-checking the which tabs were saved).
This behavior occurs when Pale Moon is first opened, but also when a previously saved session is loaded using Session Manager.

Cause: Unknown
Workaround: Unknown (I will try 27.0.x to see if that works)
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/session-manager/versions/?page=1#version-0.8.1.7

[looper]

Name: Session Manager 0.8.17 (on Pale Moon 26.5.0)
Type: Extension
Issue: Sessions are only partially recovered. (I am currently using PM 26.5.0) What I mean by this is that
1) When I had two windows, one window was fully restored but the other had only one tab restored;
2) When I moved all tabs to one window, only one tab was restored in the main tab group (the one that opened by default) and the other tab groups had either just one tab or no tabs (the tab groups previously had dozens or even hundreds of tabs).
This behavior occurs regardless of whether Pale Moon was closed properly or crashed. Session manager did a good job of saving the closed/crashed tabs in their .session files (verified by trying to "load session" and spot-checking the which tabs were saved).
This behavior occurs when Pale Moon is first opened, but also when a previously saved session is loaded using Session Manager.

Cause: Unknown
Workaround: Unknown (I will try 27.0.x to see if that works)
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/session-manager/versions/?page=1#version-0.8.1.7

This sounds like you have actually already migrated the session to v27+. Maybe without realising it?

The problem I had is with tabs not loading after the migration process to v27+. Some tab URLs appear in the Address Bar, but the webpage content does not load automatically. You must click the right arrow at the right side of the Address Bar to force each tab to load the webpage content. Other webpages will load automatically. You will have to check every tab and force those that have not loaded. Once you have done this you can restart Palemoon and it should load all of your tabs and content.

I presume you have "Tab Groups" added as an extension. If you scroll up a page or two you will see my full solution to fixing this by also using the "Tab Groups Helper" addon to recover all of the data from your tab groups and then force all tabs to load before closing Palemoon and restarting.

The reason for the problem is that v27+ has changed the way sessions are stored, by forcing each tab to load it must be converted to the new session storage type.

[deChat]

Name: Session Manager 0.8.17 (on Pale Moon 26.5.0)
Type: Extension
Issue: Sessions are only partially recovered. (I am currently using PM 26.5.0) What I mean by this is that
1) When I had two windows, one window was fully restored but the other had only one tab restored;
2) When I moved all tabs to one window, only one tab was restored in the main tab group (the one that opened by default) and the other tab groups had either just one tab or no tabs (the tab groups previously had dozens or even hundreds of tabs).
This behavior occurs regardless of whether Pale Moon was closed properly or crashed. Session manager did a good job of saving the closed/crashed tabs in their .session files (verified by trying to "load session" and spot-checking the which tabs were saved).
This behavior occurs when Pale Moon is first opened, but also when a previously saved session is loaded using Session Manager.

Cause: Unknown
Workaround: Unknown (I will try 27.0.x to see if that works)
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/session-manager/versions/?page=1#version-0.8.1.7

This sounds like you have actually already migrated the session to v27+. Maybe without realising it?

The problem I had is with tabs not loading after the migration process to v27+. Some tab URLs appear in the Address Bar, but the webpage content does not load automatically. You must click the right arrow at the right side of the Address Bar to force each tab to load the webpage content. Other webpages will load automatically. You will have to check every tab and force those that have not loaded. Once you have done this you can restart Palemoon and it should load all of your tabs and content.

I presume you have "Tab Groups" added as an extension. If you scroll up a page or two you will see my full solution to fixing this by also using the "Tab Groups Helper" addon to recover all of the data from your tab groups and then force all tabs to load before closing Palemoon and restarting.

The reason for the problem is that v27+ has changed the way sessions are stored, by forcing each tab to load it must be converted to the new session storage type.

Actually no, I had not upgraded to v27+ yet -- I first noticed the problem before v27 had come out. It was only yesterday that I thought to ask about it here on the forum.

I finally installed v27 (Portable) today, and I'm still seeing the problem. I have had Tab Groups Helper installed for quite some time now, and just now tried using it to recover my tab groups data, but again, only one tab shows up after that recovery process runs its course.

My guess is that my problem predates the one you observed using v27 (which came about because the way sessions are stored changed), and while they may be related as far as the cause is concerned, they are quite different issues.

tbh, I'm starting to freak out, because if I can't rely on my tabs and tab groups to be properly restored after a crash or on a normal restart, my workflow is totally disrupted, and I may have to change browsers (which I really, really don't want to do, I've been using Pale Moon for years and love it, it's the best). It could be that Session Manager is the problem, though, so I'm going to try different extensions to see if they can do the job.

[Dummy00001]

Name: SmartSearch
Type: Extension
Issue: Versions 3.21 and 3.22 appear as compatible on AMO (button is green), but after downloading them, PaleMoon says addon is incompatible. (I've checked on PM v25, v26 and v27 - 3.20 is the last version which can be installed.) That appears to have caused PaleMoon to update the addon automatically to an incompatible version during upgrade. (I had the addon auto-update enabled.)
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/smartsearch/versions/

[looper]

Name: Session Manager 0.8.17 (on Pale Moon 26.5.0)
Type: Extension
Issue: Sessions are only partially recovered. (I am currently using PM 26.5.0) What I mean by this is that
1) When I had two windows, one window was fully restored but the other had only one tab restored;
2) When I moved all tabs to one window, only one tab was restored in the main tab group (the one that opened by default) and the other tab groups had either just one tab or no tabs (the tab groups previously had dozens or even hundreds of tabs).
This behavior occurs regardless of whether Pale Moon was closed properly or crashed. Session manager did a good job of saving the closed/crashed tabs in their .session files (verified by trying to "load session" and spot-checking the which tabs were saved).
This behavior occurs when Pale Moon is first opened, but also when a previously saved session is loaded using Session Manager.

Cause: Unknown
Workaround: Unknown (I will try 27.0.x to see if that works)
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/session-manager/versions/?page=1#version-0.8.1.7

<SNIP>

I finally installed v27 (Portable) today, and I'm still seeing the problem. I have had Tab Groups Helper installed for quite some time now, and just now tried using it to recover my tab groups data, but again, only one tab shows up after that recovery process runs its course.

My guess is that my problem predates the one you observed using v27 (which came about because the way sessions are stored changed), and while they may be related as far as the cause is concerned, they are quite different issues.

tbh, I'm starting to freak out, because if I can't rely on my tabs and tab groups to be properly restored after a crash or on a normal restart, my workflow is totally disrupted, and I may have to change browsers (which I really, really don't want to do, I've been using Pale Moon for years and love it, it's the best). It could be that Session Manager is the problem, though, so I'm going to try different extensions to see if they can do the job.

Okay, I have the picture now. Sort of. A bit confused about having multiple windows open during a recovery. My experience of multiple windows is that it just doesn't work regarding backups/restores. Just wondering, do you have the Palemoon version of Tab Groups installed? Rather than the FF version, which could definitely cause issues.

Another thing to check. When you do the Tab Groups Helper recovery process, you should get all tab groups from that backup reinstated, BUT suspended. You then have to right click each suspended tab group and click restore to bring back the actual tab group with all tabs.

I've now taken to doing periodic exports of all tab groups to my own Tab Group Exports folder just to have a double backup. And on top of that I also Bookmark all tab groups to have a further copy of all tabs under bookmarked tab group folders.

[deChat]

Name: Session Manager 0.8.17 (on Pale Moon 26.5.0)
Type: Extension
Issue: Sessions are only partially recovered. (I am currently using PM 26.5.0) What I mean by this is that
1) When I had two windows, one window was fully restored but the other had only one tab restored;
2) When I moved all tabs to one window, only one tab was restored in the main tab group (the one that opened by default) and the other tab groups had either just one tab or no tabs (the tab groups previously had dozens or even hundreds of tabs).
This behavior occurs regardless of whether Pale Moon was closed properly or crashed. Session manager did a good job of saving the closed/crashed tabs in their .session files (verified by trying to "load session" and spot-checking the which tabs were saved).
This behavior occurs when Pale Moon is first opened, but also when a previously saved session is loaded using Session Manager.

Cause: Unknown
Workaround: Unknown (I will try 27.0.x to see if that works)
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/session-manager/versions/?page=1#version-0.8.1.7

<SNIP>

I finally installed v27 (Portable) today, and I'm still seeing the problem. I have had Tab Groups Helper installed for quite some time now, and just now tried using it to recover my tab groups data, but again, only one tab shows up after that recovery process runs its course.

My guess is that my problem predates the one you observed using v27 (which came about because the way sessions are stored changed), and while they may be related as far as the cause is concerned, they are quite different issues.

tbh, I'm starting to freak out, because if I can't rely on my tabs and tab groups to be properly restored after a crash or on a normal restart, my workflow is totally disrupted, and I may have to change browsers (which I really, really don't want to do, I've been using Pale Moon for years and love it, it's the best). It could be that Session Manager is the problem, though, so I'm going to try different extensions to see if they can do the job.

Okay, I have the picture now. Sort of. A bit confused about having multiple windows open during a recovery. My experience of multiple windows is that it just doesn't work regarding backups/restores. Just wondering, do you have the Palemoon version of Tab Groups installed? Rather than the FF version, which could definitely cause issues.

Another thing to check. When you do the Tab Groups Helper recovery process, you should get all tab groups from that backup reinstated, BUT suspended. You then have to right click each suspended tab group and click restore to bring back the actual tab group with all tabs.

I've now taken to doing periodic exports of all tab groups to my own Tab Group Exports folder just to have a double backup. And on top of that I also Bookmark all tab groups to have a further copy of all tabs under bookmarked tab group folders.

I must not be explaining myself properly, because I don't think you understood what I wrote.

1. Multiple windows have never been a problem with session recovery before v26.5.0 -- but because one window restored and the other didn't, I moved all tabs into one window, to see if that would fix things. It didn't. It actually made things worse, since when I had multiple windows, I would get one window with all of its tabs and the other window with only one tab. With just one window, I just get one tab restored.

2. I am using the Pale Moon version of Panorama (Tab Groups), version 0.2 -- it's pretty much the first extension I install when starting a new version of PM, because it is easily available from PM's webpages.

3. As I said before, when I do the Tab Groups Helper recovery process, I get just one tab back. That's it. The other tab groups are empty (0 tabs), so there is nothing to restore there.

4. Periodic exporting, extra bookmarking, and double-backups are fine, but they are not a permanent solution for me. The whole point of using PM was to have a workflow that was easy and uncomplicated.

New stuff:

5. Pale Moon 27.0.2 is definitely crashing more frequently than earlier versions for me, with as few as 100-150 tabs "open" (most are unloaded). That's not good either.

6. On top of everything else, it appears that All-in-One Sidebar is not compatible with PM 27.0.2 -- I thought I saw it working earlier, but I must have been mistaken. It was a key part of my workflow, and I'm loathe to give it up.


It seems to me that a lot of things got broken -- compatibility-wise -- in the transition from 25.x to 27.x -- I am not exactly certain where the breakpoint is, or whether there is a single breakpoint that explains all of the problems I'm seeing. From the perspective of a user (me), it's not acceptable.

My strategy going forward: I'll look for a session manager that works with 27.02, but if I don't find one that gets all my tabs back and in the right tab groups, I'm done. I'll go back to 26.3.3 or earlier (as far back as 25.8.1 if I must) as an interim measure, but long-term, I'll probably migrate to Opera or Vivaldi or even Firefox (despite the hideous Australis). The three keys for me are stability (as in the browser not crashing or at least guaranteeing a full restore should it crash), lightweight (in terms of resource usage, esp. RAM), and extension compatibility. Right now, PM is not meeting two out of three.

[1210_bex]

deChat:

>>6. On top of everything else, it appears that All-in-One Sidebar is not compatible with PM 27.0.2 -- I thought I saw it working earlier, but I must have been mistaken. It was a key part of my workflow, and I'm loathe to give it up.<<

All-in-one-sidebar 0.7.20.1-signed works just fine in 27 beta 3. I haven't tested it in a released version yet.


Harry

[Kraehe]

Name: Download Manager Tweak
Type: Extension
Issue: Version 0.9.8 was working with PaleMoon 26.5. Updated to Palemoon 27.0.2 and DMT no longer works; download manager can open as a tab but tab is unpopulated. Allowed Palemoon to update DMT to v1.5.01 and DMT is now shown as incompatible with Palemoon 27 and has been deactivated.
Cause:
Workaround:
AMO: http://dmextension.mozdev.org/index.html

[LL25255252]

6. On top of everything else, it appears that All-in-One Sidebar is not compatible with PM 27.0.2 -- I thought I saw it working earlier, but I must have been mistaken. It was a key part of my workflow, and I'm loathe to give it up.

All-in-one-sidebar 0.7.20.1-signed works just fine in 27 beta 3. I haven't tested it in a released version yet.

All-in-one-sidebar 0.7.20.1-signed works just fine also in 27.0.2

[CraigPD]

Name: Download Manager Tweak
Workaround:

Try this - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14000#p99468

[WestSlope]

Sorry for the format, but I've found two that stopped working with the new version: PM
Version: 27.0.2 (x64)

Name: Blur
Use version 4.5.1334.1
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... 4.1-signed
and
Thumbnail Zoom Plus
Use version 3.7
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... rsions/3.7

They don't work.
Thanks

[Charles]

Name: Ghostery
Type: Extension
Issue: Will not enable
Cause: Jetpack/SDK incompatible with Palemoon 27
Workaround:
AMO: <a href="http://www.ghostery.com/">http://www.ghostery.com/</a>