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reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby laozi » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 14:57

hello,
regularly I consult the extensions page (https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/)
I have just discovered the "Cookies Control Panel" extension which has been available since 28 August 2018,
to avoid listing the entire extension page, is it possible to add a mark to reference new additions ? or create a new temporary category, say for 1 month, "new features"
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 18:04

That would be a no. I will not write in ways that make one extension more prominent than another one. They will continued to be treated absolutely equally.
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby laozi » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 18:21

:evil: :o
why is it the "@ New Tobin Paradigm" that answers?
have any responsibilities or initiatives on PaleMoon's sites ?!!!!!
in my proposal, it was never a question of favouring an add-on but simply of informing the reader of new additions ;)
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby Nightbird » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 20:25

in my proposal, it was never a question of favouring an add-on but simply of informing the reader of new additions

Good idea, i often regretted that I had difficulty following the addition of new addons (the list is growing) despite i check the site regularly.

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby rabnbeinn » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 20:45

Not a bad idea actually... :thumbup:

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby back2themoon » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 20:55

Yes, could be useful for those who like to check out new extensions. I think extension updates should not count i.e. it should only be "Recently added" not "Recently added/updated" otherwise it would indeed "promote" some extensions over others and the new ones would be easily lost anyway.
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby riiis » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 21:33

Mozilla accomplishes this by allowing the add-ons database to be searched and the search results sorted. AFAIK APMO (https://addons.palemoon.org/extensions/) does not allow this.

For example, following are some of the sorts available from AMO. None of these sorts "favor" some add-ons over others. There are other sorts available from AMO (such as "featured" and "trending"), however, that do favor some add-ons over others.
Perhaps sort by "Updated on date" could be added to the APMO "Search" feature, the next time "Project Phoebus 1.9.2." is updated?

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby yami_ » Fri, 21 Sep 2018, 21:40

Here: https://github.com/Pale-Moon-Addons-Tea ... /LIVE.atom.
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I have no idea why information about new additions to the Add-on site is considered useful...
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 00:57

You see how it has gone from new add-ons to the implication that all those filters be added.. This is why I am not going to add such features. It starts down a slippery slope of favortism.

First it was new add-ons to the site next it will be updated then sorted by popularity which of course would mean telemetry for number of downloads and number of users via AUS then insights for the collected data then of course people will want ratings so it can be sorted by number of stars THEN IT WILL END WITH A SPOTLIGHT OF RECOMMENDED ADD-ONS AND USER REVIEWS.. Then massive spamming and moderation control to make sure nothing gets artificially bumped up or down by bots.. Then the sesrch results will have to reflect all this and so on and so on.. No, I will have none of that. Everyone and everything MUST be treated the same else we end up like Mozilla.

Why am I answering? Because I am the one who is writing the software.. Also, lol, there is a database, two actually, the shoehorned one that allows searching today and the full on one that is on http://addons-dev.palemoon.org/

But if you want a more authoritative answer, then grab the attention of Ryan aka Lootyhoof the Leader of the Add-ons Team.. Convince him to convince me to add such non-sense that will only promote favortism and add even more work that isn't required.
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby thosrtanner » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 05:30

You have of course considered that by listing them alphabetically, you are giving prominence to those add-ons that start with A (such as ABprime, Adblock Latitude) over those that begin with U ... Z (Such as U-block origin updater). This is a form of favouritism, the more insidious because everyone does it and think's it isn't discriminatory.

In passing, tracking downloads isn't really telemetry as you would do that it at the server end, so its a local (server specific) metric. Tracking current installs would be, and I could see why you wouldn't want to do that.

So please. Give us a little more choice over the order in which we view things.

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby Moonchild » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 08:19

thosrtanner wrote:You have of course considered that by listing them alphabetically, you are giving prominence to those add-ons that start with A (such as ABprime, Adblock Latitude) over those that begin with U ... Z (Such as U-block origin updater). This is a form of favouritism, the more insidious because everyone does it and think's it isn't discriminatory.

So what do you think is fair then? randomize the list for every visit? Nobody would be able to find anything. :think:

Alphabetic sorting or ANY sorting will have a natural order to them, but that does not mean that what happens to be high on the list as a result is the result of favoritism other than the linguistic or mathematical one -- in which case you can blame language for predisposing certain titles, but not the presentation software. :problem: Let's not make it worse by introducing user- or developer-instigated favoritism. I'm very strongly opposed to this.

Any highlighting of new or updated extensions would favor developers who just churn out the fastest or the most. But that doesn't mean those extensions deserve any more attention than long-standing, stable ones. Quite the opposite, that alone already is setting up the extension site for severe bias based on something that isn't even related to the usability or quality of extensions.
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby Moonchild » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 08:25

Also, please, people, USE THE CORRECT BOARD when you make posts.

We have a board for these kinds of issues specifically, "the pale Moon add-ons website". The "extensions" board is for extensions themselves, not the site.
The opposite is also true: people posting extensions issue in the add-ons website board; that's the wrong place too.
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby Nightbird » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 13:09

Ok guys, back to the topic ;)

What i wish :
New (image)This addon was added in the last xx days.

Once the defined time interval has elapsed, the message disppears.

That's all.

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby MGB1971 » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 13:15

I agree with Nightbird.

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby fillerup » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 14:00

what about a subforum where threads are automatically generated for new/updated addons? how feasible would that be tech-wise?

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 14:03

Not feasable at all. There is no such mechanism for that nor should the forum be spammed like that.

This is the end of the topic btw.
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby yami_ » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 14:11

fillerup wrote:what about a subforum where threads are automatically generated for new/updated addons?
There is a commit log that contain every addition to the APO database:
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laozi wrote:all the speakers of this post are in favor of a referencing of the new add-on, only one is against
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby New Tobin Paradigm » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 14:14

That rss feed won't help when we move to full sql.

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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby Moonchild » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 14:17

Off-topic:
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Re: reference the new Add-ons

Unread postby fillerup » Sat, 22 Sep 2018, 14:20

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:That rss feed won't help when we move to full sql.

well then, nightbird's suggestion is the best one here. doesn't seem like the people in charge want to implement it though..


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