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Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-02, 06:01

Well, I don't know if it is the right section to post this comment, but I wanted to congratulate you on how the Pale Moon browser project is going on. I've been using it for a couple of days now and I've been so happy about it that I couldn't help but donate. I encourage everyone to do so, as often as possible, to keep this wonderful browser healthy.
For reasons I won't explain here, I'm still on Mountain Lion 10.8.5 in 2023, using a late 2008 unibody Macbook Pro. Believe it or not, this laptop still performs great (for my needs). But web browsing has always been a nightmare. Pale Moon is the more stable and pleasant browser I've ever used with this configuration. Version 32.0.0 works like a charm, though sometimes I experience weird blank menus on some web pages (including palemoon.org). Exit Firefox ESR, ArticFox and Chromium (that I'll keep as a last resort solution in case some exotic sites behave...).
So once again thank you, and I'll try to support you with the best of my abilities as often as I will be able to.

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by dbsoft » 2023-04-03, 00:34

jamalbee wrote:
2023-04-02, 06:01
For reasons I won't explain here, I'm still on Mountain Lion 10.8.5 in 2023, using a late 2008 unibody Macbook Pro. Believe it or not, this laptop still performs great (for my needs). But web browsing has always been a nightmare. Pale Moon is the more stable and pleasant browser I've ever used with this configuration. Version 32.0.0 works like a charm, though sometimes I experience weird blank menus on some web pages (including palemoon.org). Exit Firefox ESR, ArticFox and Chromium (that I'll keep as a last resort solution in case some exotic sites behave...).
Glad it is working well for you! So you have blank menus on palemoon.org using Pale Moon on Mountain Lion? I have not seen that, I test on Lion but not Mountain Lion... Can you take a screenshot of it and post it here?

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 09:46

Here it is I hope the picture will display correctly. I also noticed problems with wikipedia. I'll try to post a picture about it.
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 09:48

Blank menus are probably not the correct expression. Let's say blank images.

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 09:54

And here is the wikipedia page of Mac Os. It only show titles or chapters on the left part and a blank page, without text or pictures. Clicking on one of the chapters in the left part won't display anything, the page remaining blank.
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-04-07, 11:20

jamalbee wrote:
2023-04-07, 09:46
Here it is I hope the picture will display correctly. I also noticed problems with wikipedia. I'll try to post a picture about it.
That's a new one!. That looks really strange -- it handles the alpha channel of images but doesn't actually texture them
Can you please include the output of help -> troubleshooting information so we can see what your environment is?
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 12:28

Ok, I saved the entire troubleshooting page, but I can't send .xhtml files. Which part do you actually need ? Here is the Application basics part
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-04-07, 12:35

The troubleshooting page has a "copy as text" button on it. that will copy everything as plain text. simply paste that in your post when replying, and kindly use the [ hide ] forum tags when you do :)
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 12:45

file:///Users/JamalBee/Desktop/Troubleshooting%20Information.xhtml
"the copy as text" option didn't work, but I found a workaround. Is it okay like this ?

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-04-07, 14:07

jamalbee wrote:
2023-04-07, 12:45
"the copy as text" option didn't work, but I found a workaround. Is it okay like this ?
"Copy text to clipboard" button didn't work? that is strange.
I'm talking about this:
Image1.png
No a link to a locally-saved file will not help us.
You can zip up the xhtml and attach that, perhaps.

Since you are on Mac though, it may be something Mac specific -- we do need the entire troubleshooting information to get details.
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-04-07, 14:10

Moving this to the Mac board.
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 19:33

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Well I thought it didn't work because when I copied the text, there was nothing, just the blank reply window. After I waited a couple of seconds and stopped playing with the scroll bar, the text appeared ! Maybe Mountain Lion is eventually too old, even for Pale Moon ? Yet, it is the most stable browser available for os x 10.8.5. Ok, I hope you got all the information you need !

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by Moonchild » 2023-04-07, 19:57

Yeah it doesn't seem to be happy with your graphics at least.
Since it's already using a fallback with skia graphics, maybe you can try disabling hardware acceleration and see if that works any better for you.
Preferences -> Advanced -> tab "General " -> Uncheck "Use hardware acceleration when available"
Then quit and restart the browser.

If that doesn't help then I'll have to defer to the Mac dev (dbsoft) who may have more ideas.
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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by jamalbee » 2023-04-07, 21:39

Thank you very much. Problem solved ! Booting in Safe mode (holding the Shift key) was successful too, but it was but a temporary solution.

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by dbsoft » 2023-04-13, 21:58

jamalbee wrote:
2023-04-07, 21:39
Thank you very much. Problem solved ! Booting in Safe mode (holding the Shift key) was successful too, but it was but a temporary solution.
It might be a driver issue on that MacOS... I wonder if the Nvidia web drivers support your graphics processor...

Worst case I can put in a driver blocklist entry for your version of MacOS and Nvidia card, so it won't try to accelerate on that OS and driver combo.

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by q160765803 » 2023-04-27, 02:51

dbsoft wrote:
2023-04-13, 21:58
It might be a driver issue on that MacOS... I wonder if the Nvidia web drivers support your graphics processor...

Worst case I can put in a driver blocklist entry for your version of MacOS and Nvidia card, so it won't try to accelerate on that OS and driver combo.
Off-topic:
First, sorry for being off-topic here.
Regarding gitea timeout issue, I wonder if you can create another branch with part 1 only and create PR on this new branch instead.
After created PR, you can push remaining changes to new branch.

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by dbsoft » 2023-04-27, 18:05

q160765803 wrote:
2023-04-27, 02:51
Off-topic:
First, sorry for being off-topic here.
Regarding gitea timeout issue, I wonder if you can create another branch with part 1 only and create PR on this new branch instead.
After created PR, you can push remaining changes to new branch.
Off-topic:
That is worth a try, good idea.

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by q160765803 » 2023-05-02, 01:42

dbsoft wrote:
2023-04-27, 18:05
q160765803 wrote:
2023-04-27, 02:51
Off-topic:
First, sorry for being off-topic here.
Regarding gitea timeout issue, I wonder if you can create another branch with part 1 only and create PR on this new branch instead.
After created PR, you can push remaining changes to new branch.
Off-topic:
That is worth a try, good idea.
Off-topic:
By the way, it seems that PR#2215 causes videojs to be broken. For example: https://anime1.me/20118
And sites uses dynamic import still having problem on loading. For example: https://misskey.io/

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Re: Bravo !

Unread post by dbsoft » 2023-05-02, 08:40

q160765803 wrote:
2023-05-02, 01:42
Off-topic:
By the way, it seems that PR#2215 causes videojs to be broken. For example: https://anime1.me/20118
And sites uses dynamic import still having problem on loading. For example: https://misskey.io/
Odd about that video, the only thing I see different is this error: Automatic publicPath is not supported in this browser
Which doesn't seem like something the Dynamic Import changes should affect.

Might be related to the publicPath error, the other thing doesn't trigger on another computer... If this problem was caused by my changes I'll get it fixed.

Edit: Okay the video problem is fixed and I have a pull request for it.

The other site, the problem appears to be an error with parsing await.... the script does not use await with import() so this problem is completely unrelated to dynamic import. I'll take a look at it later, but since it isn't related at all to the dynamic import changes it will be on the back burner.

Martok determined that this feature is required for that second web site: https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProd ... ssues/2229

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