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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Sat, 17 Nov 2018, 07:27

Okay, after playing with the latest Waterfox for a few minutes, I came to the conclusion that this is a Palemoon issue. Or, rather, the version of Palemoon I am using, which is an unofficial beta build (28.1.0). I don't blame the browser for that reason, since performance issues are expected.

But at least now I'm closer to understanding what's going on. Which is "I don't know", but it has something to do with the build I'm on.
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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Tue, 27 Nov 2018, 08:39

I seems like upgrading to the 28.2.1 solved the hangup problem. Some minor lag here and there, but nothing strange and abnormal.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 08:45

Well, the lag is back. Everything works fine and fast, then...... slowdown and rainbow of death... AND EVERYTHING IS BACK TO NORMAL.

To put things into perspective, I tend to have too many tabs and windows open. Is it really my RAM maxing out? Activity monitor claims there is still some left at all times.

I'll try emptying 100% of Palemoon's files in ~/Library once again, and see if that helps.

P.S. Every major slowdown is accompanied by CPU maxing out over 100%, and that ONLY happens with Palemoon OSX. Waterfox does not give me that problem.
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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby Potkeny » Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 09:22

KlarkKentThe3rd wrote:Well, the lag is back. Everything works fine and fast, then...... slowdown and rainbow of death... AND EVERYTHING IS BACK TO NORMAL.

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P.S. Every major slowdown is accompanied by CPU maxing out over 100%, and that ONLY happens with Palemoon OSX. Waterfox does not give me that problem.


Just my rambling (NoScript in use):

I had the "same" problem on my (old) win7 (x64) laptop, PM (x32) maxing CPU to 100% for a few seconds (accompanied by "PM not responding") then going back to normal.

I didn't test extensively (it was just in time for my laptop upgrade), but my guess was that NoScript (or another extension I use) didn't like when I installed Lull the Tabs, as it had this "not-responding" started after trying it out (or at least I remember it this way, might be just my memory getting confused), every 60 minutes, just like the setting I used for LtT (not the default), but the problem persisted even after removing LtT (for weeks, with PM/Win restarts).

Is it another problem with NS? I can't know for sure (my other PCs never had this kind of freeze, and I'm using usually the same settings/extensions, but I didn't try to test it with LtT, maybe I'll do during the holidays), but it wasn't put on the "not supported" list by accident, so I'm blaming NS first by default (even though I continue to use it).

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 11:53

Most prior OSX builds of Palemoon did not have the slowdown problem, and I used NS on every one.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Tue, 25 Dec 2018, 10:51

It seems that the old family recipe of "close the browser, wait a whole lot of time for the RAM to clear up, then open it back up" helps a lot.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Mon, 31 Dec 2018, 10:18

Well, deleting all the cookies (and everything history-related), re-enabling "remember search and form history", and disabling BetterPrivacy really helped. I still feel the lag is present, just way less.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 00:03

While I presently gave up on solving the lag, does anyone have any clue what MIGHT be causing it?

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby wicknix » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 03:06

Since i can't replicate this problem, i"ll say its more than likely NS related. It isn't supported, i don't use it, and i don't have lag issues. I'm sure that's why not many have replied to this thread, since there is a HUGE thread regarding NS that states no support will be offered to users who continue to use NS with PM. It's blacklisted for a reason. I know lots of people love NS (i use to use it myself for years), but there are alternatives that aren't blacklisted that work fine. I'd suggest just use an alternative supported script blocker, or stay with NS and deal with the consequences.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby therube » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 06:49

And because there is a huge thread & because you don't use it & because you couldn't replicate the problem, then the problem is NS.
Well.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby therube » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 06:51

How many are "lots" of tabs / windows?
In your memory screenshot, is that displaying the palemoon process itself or overall system memory usage?


Edit: What is wired memory?
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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby wicknix » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 07:31

I'm just saying... that NS has never been installed in any of my PM installs. No lag. My dev machines run 24/7 with PM open, average 10-15 tabs (which i feel is "normal" use). For the record i have "old" machines that max out at OSX 10.7 & 10.11, so it's unlikely it's an issue of someone with worse hardware than me. Take it as you will, but if it can't be replicated without NS installed, then it's more than likely an NS issue, or some other add-on, or another add-on conflicting with NS. As i said before, it was obviously softlisted/blacklisted for a reason.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby therube » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 07:58

Well one post says:
my problem seems to have gone away completely immediately after installing NoScript
and another:
NoScript does not help

So which is it?
(Not that it really matters if it is one or the other or neither.)
We don't even know if NoScript is still installed, in use here?
(And considering the OP finds it difficult to use, I'd think not?)
And it seems NoScript wasn't even part of the equation until a month after the thread was started?

We have nothing but some vague comments that so far have led nowhere.
I certainly see nothing to implicate a particular extension much less any extension.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 10:20

The lag can sometimes be solved (most often by quitting/restarting), but it always comes back. That's what it meant.

I checked many times, the short freezes/lags are represented by a CPU overload, above 100%, sometimes around 160%. I never have more tabs and windows open than in Waterfox (a lot, but never so many it becomes impossible). I always restart previous sessions, but that never gave me problems on other browsers. NoScript may be the issue, but if that is so, the browser may become borderline unusable for me, since I love that add-on to death.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby wicknix » Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 06:08

Wish i could help more, but i'm out of ideas. I only use grease monkey (for userstyles and enabling quicktime plugin for less cpu intensive streaming video playback) and a hosts file (http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm) to block ads/3rd party cookies, etc.

Your lag may not be add-on related at all, but not being able to reproduce it here on 2 different machines tells me it more than likely isn't the browser at fault. Anyway, good luck tracking your lag down. Hopefully you find out what's causing it. I'd maybe start with a "clean" brand new profile and not install any add-ons. Use it that way for 24-48 hours and see if your lag comes back.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 08:47

One of these days I will try to run a session without NoScript. If that does not work, then it's a real problem. Because a good browser must allow its users to run popular add-ons, or it will lose users.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby wicknix » Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 21:03

Actually a "popular" add-on should support more than 1 or 2 "good" browsers. ;)

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby Isengrim » Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 23:15

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KlarkKentThe3rd wrote:Because a good browser must allow its users to run popular add-ons, or it will lose users.

Extensions must be made to be compatible with the browser, not the other way around.
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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby KlarkKentThe3rd » Sat, 12 Jan 2019, 09:46

That is true. However, NoScript 5.1.9 was made compatible.

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Re: What could be causing recurring lag?

Unread postby Isengrim » Sun, 13 Jan 2019, 00:52

KlarkKentThe3rd wrote:That is true. However, NoScript 5.1.9 was made compatible.

There's much more that goes into making an extension compatible and stable on an application than just adding a target application block to the install.rdf file (which is what makes that purple dot show up). It's the equivalent of putting on a nametag saying that your name is James - even if your name isn't really James.
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