Hatred At Mozilla Forums

[11ryanc]

Has it been asked to add "Pale Moon" to the "Custom Builds" sticky over there?

Don't even mention Pale Moon in any way over there, unless you want to your post edited, locked, and called a "fanboy". PM's not part of their click, so any regards to it makes them feel insecure. Afraid the big guys at Mozilla will come down on them advertising the only rival to Australis. Who would want to make a poor little keyboard warrior feel insecure?
But really don't ever bring up PM over there, just warning you. If their light enough on ya they'll just not approve the post, other times you get the whole public humiliation, and/or cut down of the browser. They even check the User Agent of which browser your accessing the board with. Biased? Absolutely!

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Or suspended/banned.. In any event, my recommendation is, be careful. It is their forum and despite what we may think they can and will do anything they want and are not obligated to give us the time of day.

[Samson]

Little bit of an old topic, I know, but this is related.

Who the heck is that Frank Lion guy? I have never once seen a polite post out of him in all the time I've spent lurking their forums. He only seems to come out when there's a flamewar to be joined and, judging by his post count, that must be quite often.

It seems he has some pull around the place since it's strongly implied HE lobbied to get the GUID thread unlocked and was successful. Which he then used as an opportunity to bash people, as usual.

Gotta say, if he had been a member on a forum I ran, he'd have been banned a long time ago as a troll, flamebaiter, etc. for his continuous personal attacks on everyone in sight. He wouldn't have lasted a week.

[mikeysc]

Even worse, IMO, looks like possible trend now of updating extensions to min ver 26.0 so they won't install by default in PM25. Conspiracy or coincidence?

[Sariel]

That just requires an extra click though (and the chance of the add-on not working due to it actually being incompatible).

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Actually Firefox 26 introduced some changes so this is not unexpected.

[JodyThornton]

It seems he has some pull around the place ... Gotta say, if he had been a member on a forum I ran, he'd have been banned a long time ago as a troll, flamebaiter, etc. for his continuous personal attacks on everyone in sight. He wouldn't have lasted a week.

There's a similar phenomenon at MSFN.org. There's a tight knit bunch there that act in a derogatory fashion to those who seek help. They tell you to Google it or stop adding to an old thread (but they do it in such a way as to make you feel small and stupid).

One of their admin/posters submix8c, is especially short with people, but all of his admin buddies defend him by saying, "He has posted here over 3,000 times and has been here forever", so they let it pass. Mind you, if I ever argue a point with him, I'd get flamed (and so do many others).

Just the way it is I guess.

[Hobbit]

Loud Noise (appropriate name) proceeds to call me a whiner, and locks the thread. What is it that he and his cronies afraid of?

Well, if you say "I switched to Pale Moon!" on the Mozilla forums, they call you a whiner and lock the thread.

But if you say, "I switched back to Firefox! on the Pale Moon forums, they call you a rage-quitter and delete the thread.

The real question is, would the developers of NCSA Mosaic get mad if you said you were switching browsers on *their* forum?

[Moonchild]

How on earth can you read "Please don't make drama out of switching back to firefox and we will delete trolling/inflammatory posts to that effect" (which is normal moderation to keep forum-visiting a pleasant exprience for everyone else) as "You're a ragequitter for switching to Firefox and we will delete your thread"?

If you decide to switch back to Firefox and say so on this forum, then that's perfectly fine. We won't delete it or do anything with it. But if you, say, go out on a tirade about Pale Moon that is not constructive or in any way more than just trying to get a rise out of Pale Moon supporters, then yes, that will be considered trolling and will be deleted. So far we've had to do that a total of 0 times, thankfully.

Sad that I even have to explain where the common sense line for acceptable forum etiquette lies.

[silverfox]

I'm glad that I read this thread. I was confuse about "which is the firefox official forum".
Now I'm aware the mozillazine is just a firefox fan forum nothing relate with firefox main forum.

[superA]

I had a good read there..

I thought they stopped but i was wrong..

''Outdated'',''limmited'',''not faster'',''joke'' and some other stuff.
They even made a poll,to keep the thread open and of course they decided so(so noone misses their thoughts).

I still dont get,why they bother with this fanatism against PM and MC and why there is no ''official'' answer to these kids..

[ben557]

You can also change your UserAgent string specifically for forums.mozillazine.org to that of Firefox latest whatever it is, say all the good you can lye about Firefox, and post a "question regarding a friend who didn't understand anything about life since he installed a Firefox fork but whom you'd wish to help until he understands one day that the truth is in Firefox and Firefox only". Without insisting too heavily of course. Maybe you'll get information that way, then be hired in a whatever intelligence service. It's already been done, it still occurs, join the band!

I changed my per-site user agent to "Mozilla/4.79 [en] (Win95; N)".. Think of that what you will

That sounds fun hah

[11ryanc]

You can also change your UserAgent string specifically for forums.mozillazine.org to that of Firefox latest whatever it is, say all the good you can lye about Firefox, and post a "question regarding a friend who didn't understand anything about life since he installed a Firefox fork but whom you'd wish to help until he understands one day that the truth is in Firefox and Firefox only". Without insisting too heavily of course. Maybe you'll get information that way, then be hired in a whatever intelligence service. It's already been done, it still occurs, join the band!

I changed my per-site user agent to "Mozilla/4.79 [en] (Win95; N)".. Think of that what you will

That sounds fun hah

Sure is. We proudly welcome you to the PIA (Pale-Moon Intelligence Agency)
:Mission_Obtain Information Regarding PM Without Getting Blocked & Humiliated:
Good luck Agent!

[lyceus]

I just get bored of these Firefox fanboys that come here and say that they tested Pale Moon and is "trash" for some random and not valid reason. Often their "troubles" can be fixed with an easy search in the forum, but they seem to just come here to nail us for not be "Firefox loyal". Meh.

[11ryanc]

I just get bored of these Firefox fanboys that come here and say that they tested Pale Moon and is "trash" for some random and not valid reason. Often their "troubles" can be fixed with an easy search in the forum, but they seem to just come here to nail us for not be "Firefox loyal". Meh.

I think the only thing at this point I like about Firefox is the logo..The orange fox with his back up against the globe. I've always thought that was cool.
Nice visuals Mozilla. Now can you please make us a browser that's not a Chrome wannabe? We don't want clones of the same dumbed down s***, give us the good ole reliable Fox back!

[Trippynet]

It's honestly funny to read these days. A nice combination of bullshit mixed with other personal garbage. Occasionally a valid point does indeed get raised by one of the more mature ones, but so often it's buried amongst the crap coming from everyone else that it quickly disappears into the murky depths.

The best bit is that they have the bare-faced cheek to refer to this forum as a weird cult populated by 14 year-olds. This despite the fact that there's nothing more cultist, biased and paranoid than Mozillazine out there, and a particularly vocal chunk of their regulars act so appallingly immaturely most the time that I wouldn't be surprised if several of them were still teething (particular mention here for malliz, mightyglymmd and LewdNose).

In truth, many people here are just simply folk who believe that Mozilla have completely and utterly lost the plot lately regarding FireChrome development and who happen to ultimately prefer the look, feel and operation of Pale Moon over other FireChrome alternatives such as SeaMonkey (which incidentally I do still rate as a browser).

But still, never let the truth get in the way of a nice, paranoid set of craziness eh!

[New Tobin Paradigm]

I have very little time to be concerned by Mozillazine or the blind diehard Australis fans. Our focus should be to make Pale Moon even better. As people get fed up they will look for alternatives and we will popup on that list. So let us continue to do all we can to make the project the best it can be from browser to site to community and leave Mozilla and Mozillazine in bin where it belongs.

[SivaMachina]

Why should we care what people at Mozilla, Mozillaine, any thing else related fans include have to say. Pale Moon is separate from Firefox and Mozilla and we should treat it as such.

[Moonchild]

Why should we care what people at Mozilla, Mozillaine, any thing else related fans include have to say. Pale Moon is separate from Firefox and Mozilla and we should treat it as such.

We should care at least somewhat. After all, MozillaZine is historically the "go-to" place for Mozilla-based software. It has a solid place in the web as a knowledge base, and even if the forum is separate and run completely differently, it's still attached.
In addition, we should care because of the very content that is posted there - the staggering amount of misinformation down to downright attacks is something I'm not happy about. They are public fora - meaning you can compare it to "bad press", even if it's in a tabloid, you would still care about it, even if for nothing else than to be aware of it and able to debunk the misinformation on official channels.

Not that I visit there at this point, or make any effort. By now, people should know better, and the MZ forum is reduced to a smaller and smaller group of regulars who enjoy their power over their small corner of digital space.