On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
It is because of privacy reasons.
I really don't understand what the relation between WebExtensions addons with privacy problems is.
Could somebody explains to me what it is?
I really don't understand what the relation between WebExtensions addons with privacy problems is.
Could somebody explains to me what it is?
Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
According to this ...Latitude wrote:Could somebody explains to me what it is?
https://issues.hyperbola.info/index.php ... 1042&dev=4
... they say it is due to this "known critical privacy bug in Firefox":
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1372288
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Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
Has it been fixed in Basilisk?Nigaikaze wrote:According to this ...Latitude wrote:Could somebody explains to me what it is?
https://issues.hyperbola.info/index.php ... 1042&dev=4
... they say it is due to this "known critical privacy bug in Firefox":
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1372288
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Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
Regardless of "privacy", PM (& UXP [these names always get me confused]) won't be supporting webextensions at all, in any case. Isn't that right?
Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
The UXP platform support for WebExtensions is experimental at best. Individual applications built upon the platform may (Basilisk) or may not (Pale Moon, Iceweasel-UXP) choose to include that support.therube wrote:Regardless of "privacy", PM (& UXP [these names always get me confused]) won't be supporting webextensions at all, in any case. Isn't that right?
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Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
I guess I should ask, is Iceweasel-UXP "Basilisk", in which case, I suppose webextensions are possible though frowned upon & not necessarily expected to work or be supported (viewtopic.php?p=144956#p144956).
Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
You'll probably get a better/faster answer if you ask the Hyperbola folks.therube wrote:I guess I should ask, is Iceweasel-UXP "Basilisk" ....
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Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
UXP = kind of supports WebExtensions (as Isengrim says, experimental support at best).therube wrote:PM (& UXP [these names always get me confused]) won't be supporting webextensions at all, in any case. Isn't that right?
PM = does not and will not support WebExtensions.
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Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
According to this, it is a rebranded and modified Basilisk.
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Re: On why Iceweasel-UXP doesn't include WebExtensions.
It exposes one of the multiple hacks Mozilla has used to make WE work in the first place, and maybe even a fundamental flaw in how WebExtensions work, overall (I haven't had time to fully analyze the problem yet). Since it's at the very root of the implementation of WEs and how they interact with web content, I also don't see a straightforward way around that problem.
The issue is that in an effort to hide the fact that a certain extension is installed by randomizing access URLs, that randomized nature creates a unique fingerprint for content to read. So you're in effect going from "this user has extension X installed, it could be user Y or anyone else we've seen with this extension" to "this is user Y". As you can understand, that's a problem -- since the WE needs to know its own random ID so it can access its resources from page content, that ID can't change once it's been established.
Aside from this privacy issue, our continued experimental support in Basilisk depends on how much of a problem our limited implementation (restricting WEs to only content-related functions and not exposing many browser-specific APIs, because that is what we have our other extension types for) poses. Time will tell.
The issue is that in an effort to hide the fact that a certain extension is installed by randomizing access URLs, that randomized nature creates a unique fingerprint for content to read. So you're in effect going from "this user has extension X installed, it could be user Y or anyone else we've seen with this extension" to "this is user Y". As you can understand, that's a problem -- since the WE needs to know its own random ID so it can access its resources from page content, that ID can't change once it's been established.
Aside from this privacy issue, our continued experimental support in Basilisk depends on how much of a problem our limited implementation (restricting WEs to only content-related functions and not exposing many browser-specific APIs, because that is what we have our other extension types for) poses. Time will tell.
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