Caitlin Neiman wrote:When Firefox Quantum (version 57) launched in November 2017, it exclusively supported add-ons built using WebExtensions APIs. addons.mozilla.org (AMO) has followed a parallel development path to Firefox and will soon only support WebExtensions-based add-ons.
As Thunderbird and SeaMonkey do not plan to fully switch to the WebExtensions API in the near future, the Thunderbird Council has agreed to host and manage a new site for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey add-ons. This new site, addons.thunderbird.net, will go live this week.
Starting on July 12th, all add-ons that support Thunderbird and SeaMonkey will be automatically ported to addons.thunderbird.net. The update URLs of these add-ons will be redirected from AMO to the new site and all users will continue to receive automatic updates. Developer accounts will also be ported and developers will be able to log in and manage their listings on the new site.
Thunderbird or SeaMonkey add-ons that also support Firefox or Firefox for Android will remain listed on AMO..
Thunderbird Council launched a new site for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey add-ons
Thunderbird Council launched a new site for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey add-ons
As announced at Mozilla Discourse:
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Very interesting, they way they phrase this. I interpret it to mean that comm-central won't be shutting down in the near future just because Firefox is pushing ahead with a XUL/XPCOM-less future. Good for them, I suppose.Caitlin Neiman wrote:As Thunderbird and SeaMonkey do not plan to fully switch to the WebExtensions API in the near future...
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They will both be basing on 60 ESR, which still (barely) has XUL add-on support. There's still concerns about their future beyond that, though. I believe both of them are planning the same fate as Firefox already has.Isengrim wrote:I interpret it to mean that comm-central won't be shutting down in the near future just because Firefox is pushing ahead with a XUL/XPCOM-less future.
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Actually I don't quite understand how they are going to live without XUL "tree" widgetIsengrim wrote:I interpret it to mean that comm-central won't be shutting down in the near future
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They can't. The XUL tree widget was specifically designed FOR Thunderbird back in the day. I don't think there will be a suitable replacement possible with what post-Quantum Firefox offers, because the tree replacement needs to be fast, robust and have deep complexity at the same time to suit message lists and views. I don't see that happening.JustOff wrote:Actually I don't quite understand how they are going to live without XUL "tree" widgetIsengrim wrote:I interpret it to mean that comm-central won't be shutting down in the near future
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A small delay until their inevitable defeat. Can't wait for Firefox 68 ESR
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And one is to be gleeful at the defeat of another?
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I've heard through the grapevine SeaMonkey version 2.57 might be the last and final version for SeaMonkey.
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Re: Thunderbird Council launched a new site for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey add-ons
Is 57 a cursed number or something?
Anyway, months ago I remember the SeaMonkey people blogging about how if only one of their team left, the project would become "unmaintainable," and they thought they would eventually be forced to rewrite everything in HTML instead of XUL, which they were not looking forward to.
It really is unfortunate.
Anyway, months ago I remember the SeaMonkey people blogging about how if only one of their team left, the project would become "unmaintainable," and they thought they would eventually be forced to rewrite everything in HTML instead of XUL, which they were not looking forward to.
It really is unfortunate.
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Refusing to cooperate with the PM team was their choice, now comm-central shall bear the consequences. It's the sad truth.therube wrote:And one is to be gleeful at the defeat of another?
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Wow, I did not know this. That explains why I was having so much "fun" recently trying to understand its complexities.Moonchild wrote:The XUL tree widget was specifically designed FOR Thunderbird back in the day.
Just because we do not like that choice does not mean we should treat them with such petty contempt. Instead, we should continue focusing on our own project and showing by example that XUL is not as dead as they say it is, and that we are serious about this browser and platform.mrnhmath wrote:Refusing to cooperate with the PM team was their choice, now comm-central shall bear the consequences. It's the sad truth.
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How will this affect CAA?JustOff wrote:As announced at... etc
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Maybe someone needs to fork Thunderbird at an acceptable point for UXP and rebrand it. The Thunderbird team believes, according to a comment on that BZ bug, that "The Mozilla Platform is a lot more than just XUL, and the dependencies Thunderbird has are too deep to bail at the moment." -- prove them wrong!
(or maybe when UXP has settled I should revive FossaMail)
(or maybe when UXP has settled I should revive FossaMail)
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Moonchild wrote:Maybe someone needs to fork Thunderbird at an acceptable point for UXP and rebrand it.
If it were me, I'd start with FossaMail (a known good state!) and work my way up to UXP support. If it can be done for Pale Moon and Borealis, it can be done for anything.Moonchild wrote:(or maybe when UXP has settled I should revive FossaMail)
What would constitue an "acceptible point for UXP" to fork from? TB 52?
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Yep, that's the only right way to move onIsengrim wrote:Just because we do not like that choice does not mean we should treat them with such petty contempt. Instead, we should continue focusing on our own project and showing by example that XUL is not as dead as they say it is, and that we are serious about this browser and platform.mrnhmath wrote:Refusing to cooperate with the PM team was their choice, now comm-central shall bear the consequences. It's the sad truth.
This has nothing to do with it.doofy wrote:How will this affect CAA?JustOff wrote:As announced at... etc
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It sounds like Hyperbola is working on it.Moonchild wrote:Maybe someone needs to fork Thunderbird at an acceptable point for UXP and rebrand it.
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They are indeed.SpockFan02 wrote:It sounds like Hyperbola is working on it.Moonchild wrote:Maybe someone needs to fork Thunderbird at an acceptable point for UXP and rebrand it.
they probably will have an addon page for those too in addition to these:
https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id ... uxp_addons
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We're actually working with hyperbola on giving people something better to point to than a wiki which leaves extension users without any way to properly update. The only major issue that requires extra work is the fact that the FSF doesn't want to allow the use of a site that has potentially non-free (non-purist) extensions listed, even if the license will be clearly stated along with each extension; this requires a special filter and operating mode for the hyperbola applications.
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