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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby JoeyG » Sat, 25 Aug 2018, 22:41

back2themoon wrote:
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...I'd suggest the fresh and Pale Moon specific Restart manager instead of Restart App Button. Also, FavIconReloader doesn't really work on PM28, it does for you? Let me know if you have an alternative, thanks.
Thank you for your reply. For my humble needs, I'm afraid Restart Manager is overkill. All I really want to do is restart, and the button in the Status Bar is fine.

Hmmmm, you're right, FavIconReloader doesn't appear to work. I guess I'm lucky: I don't think I've ever really even used it. :roll:

Again, thanks for your reply.
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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby dvdgmlwsk » Sun, 07 Oct 2018, 16:37

I have "downgraded" from Pale Moon 28 to 27 because PM28 broke my favorite extension, Drag &DropZones. No alternative search tool I have tried (and I have tried them all) even comes remotely close to the effortless ease of use that Drag &DropZones provides. Too bad.

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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby fillerup » Sun, 07 Oct 2018, 17:13

dvdgmlwsk wrote:I have "downgraded" from Pale Moon 28 to 27 because PM28 broke my favorite extension, Drag &DropZones. No alternative search tool I have tried (and I have tried them all) even comes remotely close to the effortless ease of use that Drag &DropZones provides. Too bad.

Drag & DropZones 1.7.1 (the latest version) work fine in PM 28.1 for me

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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby mrnhmath » Sun, 07 Oct 2018, 17:17

dvdgmlwsk wrote:I have "downgraded" from Pale Moon 28 to 27 because PM28 broke my favorite extension, Drag &DropZones. No alternative search tool I have tried (and I have tried them all) even comes remotely close to the effortless ease of use that Drag &DropZones provides. Too bad.


A (non-PM) extension broke with PM28, not the other way around.

Which version of the extension are you using? Did you try the newest version from AMO?

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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby Lootyhoof » Sun, 07 Oct 2018, 17:29

dvdgmlwsk wrote:I have "downgraded" from Pale Moon 28 to 27 because PM28 broke my favorite extension, Drag &DropZones. No alternative search tool I have tried (and I have tried them all) even comes remotely close to the effortless ease of use that Drag &DropZones provides. Too bad.

Perhaps you should try the equivalent on our site.

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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby Moonchild » Mon, 08 Oct 2018, 10:47

I also hope you made a backup of your profile. Downgrading from v28 to v27 and then returning to v28 again on the same profile is not supported and can lead to strange and unspecified errors down the road. If you don't have a backup, you should start with a fresh profile in v28.
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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby dvdgmlwsk » Tue, 09 Oct 2018, 08:02

I have been comparing Pale Moon 27 installed version with Pale Moon 28 portable version so there have been no profile issues involved because both versions are clean, totally separate installs. When I mentioned "downgrade" I meant that I am chucking Pale Moon 28 and staying with Pale Moon 27.

Pale Moon 27 got it right by enabling the use of the Drag & DropZones add-on (which won't work on Pale Moon 28; and neither will Menu Editor, another fine add-on). So, I'll just stay with Pale Moon 27 for now rather than fumble around with the shortcomings of Pale Moon 28.
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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby Moonchild » Tue, 09 Oct 2018, 09:33

dvdgmlwsk wrote:So, I'll just stay with Pale Moon 27 for now rather than fumble around with the shortcomings of Pale Moon 28.


Considering the shortcomings in this case are the shortcomings of an extension (which isn't our code), then the "for now" in your sentence will be "as long as the extension developer doesn't update the extension". Unfortunately that can take a long time, and Pale Moon 27 actually has real shortcomings that v28 solves.

In general, I understand the desire to roll back by users because it's the easiest way to get short-term solutions (as in, it doesn't take any effort). But the resulting situation won't be viable long-term. For that solutions have to be found. People rolling back won't help finding those solutions (whether they are updated extensions, workarounds or enhancements to the browser core) and if everyone who happens to use the same extension you do has the same attitude of just wanting a silver platter, 5 second "make it work" solution, then nothing will ever happen to actually resolve compatibility and it becomes a dead-end street.
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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby fillerup » Tue, 09 Oct 2018, 10:12

dvdgmlwsk wrote:Pale Moon 27 got it right by enabling the use of the Drag & DropZones add-on

once again, the primary drag and drop functionality of this addon works fine in PM 28

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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby Falna » Tue, 09 Oct 2018, 11:52

dvdgmlwsk wrote: neither will Menu Editor, another fine add-on

Menu Wizard 5.10 seems to provide similar functionality and works fine in PM28.
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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby dvdgmlwsk » Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 23:29

To all,

Thanks for your input and ideas.

I cannot get Drag & DropZones to work at all with a clean install of Pale Moon 28.

I finally got Drag & DropZones’ drop zones to work in Pale Moon 28 by “upgrading” Pale Moon 28 from an already installed version of Pale Moon 27 (where Drag & DropZones was functioning correctly).

Although the drop zones do work after the “upgrade” to Pale Moon 28 the drop zones cannot be changed or manipulated because the Drag & DropZones Options/Settings are completely disabled by Pale Moon 28. This is an unsatisfactory way to use an extension long term.

I did find a fairly good alternative to Drag & DropZones called Selected Search 0.4.160328, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ed-search/. Selected Search seems more useful than all the other Drag & DropZones alternatives I have tried.

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Re: PM 28 reason to switch browser?

Unread postby Moonchild » Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 23:50

As always, it ultimately is the task of extension developers to make extensions work with the application they are extending. It's not our code and we can't do anything about a milestone compatibility issue.
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