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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by mike236 » 2020-08-07, 07:05

Any developers here who can help me with that project ? Fennec browser got installed on 2 even though it is for 4.1+ and it opens most sites !

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Moonchild » 2020-08-07, 07:23

mike236 wrote:
2020-08-07, 07:05
Any developers here who can help me with that project ? Fennec browser got installed on 2 even though it is for 4.1+ and it opens most sites !
No.
We no longer have mobile browser code in our tree, and the android-specific considerations in UXP are slated for removal. Issue #1053 (UXP)

By the way, Firefox for Android has internally always been called "Fennec".
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2020-08-07, 13:49

A lot of android support has already been ripped out and the rest will follow eventually.

You'll never be able to put it back in. Too much has changed since then.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Tharthan » 2020-08-10, 06:27

Moonchild wrote:
2020-08-06, 11:13
What's next, a version of Pale Moon for Windows 98
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"What's next"?

Wait... you're telling me that this isn't a legitimate version of Pale Moon that I've been using?

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:?

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Does that mean that the DOS version of Pale Moon is illegitimate too?!
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Moonchild » 2020-08-10, 06:36

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Tharthan wrote:
2020-08-10, 06:27
Wait... you're telling me that this isn't a legitimate version of Pale Moon that I've been using?
If it has official branding, then yes!
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by JoseSv » 2021-01-30, 18:08

I think it would make sense to revive xp and android 1 by creating a maintained browser for them.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Moonchild » 2021-01-30, 19:05

JoseSv wrote:
2021-01-30, 18:08
I think it would make sense to revive xp and android 1 by creating a maintained browser for them.
Actually, that would make absolutely NO sense.
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2021-01-30, 19:11

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Why, he is bachelor degree in Tecnology. He know best.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Moonchild » 2021-01-30, 21:41

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Why, he is bachelor degree in Tecnology. He know best.
Let's not judge people by their limited English, shall we?
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by moonbat » 2021-02-01, 01:29

Why stop at XP? Let's go back to Windows 3.1 or MSDOS while we're at it, along with NCSA Mosaic :roll:
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Moonbird » 2021-02-01, 07:39

@JoseSv: For very old systems with XP, this is unfortunately the wrong forum, as the Pale Moon developers have to focus their energy to make the browser run on more current operating systems. Maybe you'll find some help in the MSFN forum.(https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my- ... ds-part-2/)

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2021-02-01, 08:27

If you want to run corrupted half-assed build full of compromises that is literally old and insecure.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by dapgo » 2021-02-04, 10:07

moonbat wrote:
2020-08-06, 09:38
The team simply lacks the resources to maintain the browser on Android that too after the switch to UXP from version 27 onwards. Right now on Android I would ironically recommend Fennec, a Firefox build with all the tracking stripped out, and it supports whatever mobile targeted web extensions are there on the Firefox addons site.
For current apps and old android you will need a different source than fdroid because fdroid is moving their compiled apps to Android 5.

Asking for Android 1 compatibility maybe it too much, but I am sure that most opensource android apps can be at least android 4 compatible.

Time ago, PM was a great solution for Android 4 devices.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by dapgo » 2021-02-04, 10:12

moonbat wrote:
2021-02-01, 01:29
Why stop at XP? Let's go back to Windows 3.1 or MSDOS while we're at it, along with NCSA Mosaic :roll:
Note that DOS compatibility is still alive through an alive OS called FreeDOS and WindowsXP compatibility is offered by ReactOS; another alive freeOS.

The more the merrier!
BTW in the good times of Firefox there was not a single platform without a mozilla fork (official or unofficial).

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by moonbat » 2021-02-04, 10:21

dapgo wrote:
2021-02-04, 10:12
Note that DOS compatibility is still alive through an alive OS called FreeDOS and WindowsXP compatibility is offered by ReactOS; another alive freeOS.
Those are actual maintained alternatives, nobody sane is actually using the original MSDOS and Windows XP for contemporary use cases or in the latter case, to connect to the internet. It's beyond retarded to stick on stubbornly to an obsolete and closed source operating system, that too when there's a better version (7) of the same operating system, let alone expect support for an illegal hack job of a browser from the official forums of said browser as has been happening if you care to search the forums for MSFN and New Moon or whatever they call it.
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Time ago, PM was a great solution for Android 4 devices.
Android 4 was retired about 8 years ago. There is even less of an excuse for sticking around with a phone that ancient when you can get any number of dirt cheap budget Androids that are much more current.

There just isn't going to be a PM for Android at this point so no use talking about it. I'll revise my older recommendation from Fennec (since Mozilla, true to form, fucked it up even further by again dropping support for most extensions) to IceRaven.
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by dapgo » 2021-02-04, 13:52

Off-topic:
I just told you that this platforms are still alive, and if some people want to use the non supported WindowsXP it is just their problem and probably they know why the use.

You also speak about stopping using phones with Android 4 because they are insecure, but maybe there is nothing to protect, it is just second phone used to listen podcasts or control the infrared tv.

Are you throwing to the bin your phone when it stops receiving security updates?
Because for most android devices the life would not be longer than a year.

What about cars? Should the smash every car without ABS or older than 5 years?

Life is no a secure place. ;)
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dapgo wrote:
2021-02-04, 10:12
Note that DOS compatibility is still alive through an alive OS called FreeDOS and WindowsXP compatibility is offered by ReactOS; another alive freeOS.
Those are actual maintained alternatives, nobody sane is actually using the original MSDOS and Windows XP for contemporary use cases or in the latter case, to connect to the internet. It's beyond retarded to stick on stubbornly to an obsolete and closed source operating system, that too when there's a better version (7) of the same operating system, let alone expect support for an illegal hack job of a browser from the official forums of said browser as has been happening if you care to search the forums for MSFN and New Moon or whatever they call it.


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Time ago, PM was a great solution for Android 4 devices.
Android 4 was retired about 8 years ago. There is even less of an excuse for sticking around with a phone that ancient when you can get any number of dirt cheap budget Androids that are much more current.

There just isn't going to be a PM for Android at this point so no use talking about it. I'll revise my older recommendation from Fennec (since Mozilla, true to form, fucked it up even further by again dropping support for most extensions) to IceRaven.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by moonbat » 2021-02-04, 14:05

dapgo wrote:
2021-02-04, 13:52
I just told you that this platforms are still alive, and if some people want to use the non supported WindowsXP it is just their problem and probably they know why the use.
Then those people should keep to themselves and stop bothering developers of more current software to support them, as is often observed here.
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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by WiseWolf » 2021-02-07, 17:05

JoseSv wrote:
2021-01-30, 18:08
I think it would make sense to revive xp and android 1 by creating a maintained browser for them.
Agreed, why hasn't moonchild worked on msdos as a target also? and windows 1.0?

palemoon should be forced to support all operating systems no matter how old or insecure they are!


And with that lunacy out of the way... :P

I just smile to myself at how absurd that sounds.

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2021-02-07, 17:20

Well that's the thing as the years long campaign is that we ourselves are Old and Insecure THUS we must support things that are Old and Insecure by default right?

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Re: browser for old system

Unread post by Moonraker » 2021-02-07, 17:34

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:
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Well that's the thing as the years long campaign is that we ourselves are Old and Insecure THUS we must support things that are Old and Insecure by default right?
Hmm in my mind there is nothing wrong with something being old. 8-) .Not sure why the term "old" is somehow classed as a derogatory term. :shock:

Secure is purely subjective. :eh:
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