PM4Linux PPA version (Trusty)

[SvenG]

Don't know, if Marián is reading here, I hope so, cause somehow launchpad doesn't like me (can't register).

I have just tried the Trusty package and it worked fairly well, just one thing is odd: using the same profile the statusbar in the PPA version looks entirely different from the one in the installer version, there is for example a close button shown that I don't have in my normal profile (it's not enabled), the NoSquint display (using the actual status bar area) is displayed on the other side, I have moved it to the far left and it gets moved to the far right with the PPA version. And the really odd thing is, that I can't move it back to the far left. Now the really, really odd thing: the options for the statusbar are missing. So, I created a new profile and the statusbar options are still missing. The statusbar itself is there and the icons are there and seem functional.

Another minor thing: some icons in about:addons were not displayed correctly. got a white square instead.

[squarefractal]

S/he didn't run the make package step, so obviously...

[New Tobin Paradigm]

I would have to agree strictly by the sound of what is happening.

[squarefractal]

This should be taken up with the maintainer urgently, since it's a contributed build.

Off-topic:
The contributed builds page should be updated though, since Travis is the new maintainer.

[trava90]

This should be taken up with the maintainer urgently, since it's a contributed build.

I just sent Marián an email through Launchpad.

[SvenG]

This should be taken up with the maintainer urgently, since it's a contributed build.

I just sent Marián an email through Launchpad.

Thanks

Really gotta findout, what's the problem with Launchpad and me....

[marian_kadanka]

Hello,

I have fixed missing statusbar intergration. Updates are currently building and should be ready to download from Launchpad in a few minutes. Thank you for reporting the bug.

[SvenG]

Hello,

I have fixed missing statusbar intergration. Updates are currently building and should be ready to download from Launchpad in a few minutes. Thank you for reporting the bug.

Thank you, I will try again later and report back

Edit: Statusbar works!

There is still some sort of weird problem with some icons in about:addons with Slim Addons Manager or in All-in-One-Sidebar. Steps to reproduce:
* Install Pale Moon from PPA (Trusty in my case)
* Install Adblock Latitude
* Install Slim Addons Manager
It will look like this

PPA version + ABL + Slim Addons Manager

now start the tar version, and you will get this

tar version + ABL + Slim Addons Manager

when you disable Slim Addons Manager it looks okay in both

both versions + ABL + Slim Addons Manager (disabled)

It's always using the same newly created profile in both cases.

No big deal but there still seems to be something different.

Off-topic:
BTW the Pale Moon package is ~15 MB smaller than the most recent Firefox package, that's nice.

EDIT 2: got the problem. Pale Moon can't scale images. Take
http://postimg.org/image/y7zmly9ef/full/
as a test image. You can open website with no problems, now scale the website down. In my case it happens between 30 and 40% that the red image turns into a white one.

[marian_kadanka]

EDIT 2: got the problem. Pale Moon can't scale images. Take
http://postimg.org/image/y7zmly9ef/full/
as a test image. You can open website with no problems, now scale the website down. In my case it happens between 30 and 40% that the red image turns into a white one.

I have to confirm this strange behaviour. Going to investigate further, it may take a while.

[SvenG]

Let me know if you need any further info.

Maybe we^[tm] should look for a few more beta testers for your Pale Moon PPA, actually, we have a bunch of Mint and Ubuntu users here, maybe they would like to help out. The more people are testing, the sooner we might find all these little bugs and glitches. So people, come on!

[Night Wing]

Although I use Mint 99% of the time now, I'm a non-technical person, not a power user. To help out, a power user is definitely needed because a power user in linux knows how to write code and save it to a folder. A power user is also very comfortable using the linux Terminal.

In essence, I do not know how to write code for linux to put into some folder, don't know the commands to use in ubuntu based linux distros (su, sudo, apt, etc) when using the linux Terminal and have gotten nothing but frustration when I've been forced to use the Terminal.

With my above limitations (weaknesses), this is why I chose to use Mint as my foray into a linux Distro because the last time I used the Terminal in Mint was in 2013. Ditto for saving some code in a folder in Mint. When I had to use some coding for Mint with the problem I was having, I had to research the Mint forums "hoping" to find the information and copy it from someone who had already solved the exact same problem I had. I was lucky I did, but if I hadn't, the problem I had in 2013 would still be an unsolved problem today in 2015.

I just wanted to let people know that assuming a person (me) who uses a linux distro like Mint and who stays silent...............is interpreted as not wanting to help.To help, it takes knowledge and I don't have the knowledge.

[SvenG]

No, you don't need that much knowledge. Actually, you just need to keep your eyes open while using the browser and report what you see when there is something odd or different from the stuff you know from the none-PPA version (ideally you should be able to compare the two in the same computer with the same profile.). See my reports, they are also not very technical. The best way to find bugs is simply using the software.

Anyway, nobody has to and nobody will blame anybody for not testing. But with the amount of Ubuntu/Mint users we have here, we should find at least a handful of people.

[trava90]

No, you don't need that much knowledge. Actually, you just need to keep your eyes open while using the browser and report what you see when there is something odd or different from the stuff you know from the none-PPA version (ideally you should be able to compare the two in the same computer with the same profile.). See my reports, they are also not very technical. The best way to find bugs is simply using the software.

Anyway, nobody has to and nobody will blame anybody for not testing. But with the amount of Ubuntu/Mint users we have here, we should find at least a handful of people.

Well said Sven!

If I have time today, I'm going to install Ubuntu in a VM and see if I can do some testing myself. I'm also talking with Marián via email, so hopefully we can get these issues resolved quickly.

[trava90]

Looks like the problem is related to gcc 4.8.2 being used to compile the Trusty package.

When Pale Moon is built with gcc 4.8.2, it causes some image rendering issues (viewtopic.php?f=37&t=4335).

I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu or Launchpad to know if gcc 4.7 can be used instead.

Is there anyone using Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin who can test this? The PPA package for Precise uses gcc 4.6.3, it'd be nice to have a comparison (and I don't have time right now to download 12.04 and set up another VM).

[SvenG]

I have been using the PPA PM4Linux the past few days on my second Trusty box and besides the image scaling issue I found no further problems with my usual surfing behavior which mainly consists of using blogs, forums, wikis. So besides that one thing looking pretty good

[squarefractal]

I don't have time right now to download 12.04 and set up another VM).

Simply unpack the Precise .deb yourself!

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ar -x foo.deb
sudo tar -zxf data.tar.* -C / > package-files.txt

That would give you an installation of PM from that package on your system.

Later, you can just remove this install using:

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while read line; do rm -rf "$line"; done < package-files.txt

[C1xLb]

Are there any plans to update the PPA to the latest version? I originally installed PM from https://launchpad.net/~marian.kadanka/+archive/ubuntu/palemoon but it was several versions behind the release...

[trava90]

I have not been able to contact the maintainer of the PPA. I would recommend removing the PPA for now and update to the latest version with the installer. If I can reach Marián I'll let you all know.

[C1xLb]

Thank you very much!

[C1xLb]

I've been reading up on adding applications to PPA's and creating Debian/Ubuntu packages. This page seems to cover the core of things, over and above lanchpad, keys and the background requirements.

Although I've not done this before, I'm wondering if it's worth trying to update or create a new PPA for Pale Moon. Would anyone be interested in this?