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Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-04, 14:33
by jmich
The PM 28.7 icon(launcher) is not being installed in the Internet Menu In Mint 19.2 Mate. The only way to launch PM is to go to your Downloads
folder and select the launcher from the PM folder. Tried the Menu Editor but when you browse for the launcher ~/jim/Downloads/palemoon/palemoon the PM launcher is grayed out, so it can't be loaded to the Internet menu.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-04, 21:41
by ron_1
First, where did you download PM from, the official site, or from Steve's repo? If you got it directly from PM's site, did you follow these instructions
here?
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-04, 23:44
by jmich
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-05, 00:10
by ron_1
Okay, what about the other question? Did you follow the "install" instructions here:
http://linux.palemoon.org/help/installation/
Off-topic:
BTW, my user name is ron_1, not Moon Magic; that's the board rankings.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-05, 05:15
by moonbat
You're better off using Steve's repo if using Mint. It will install the app with full path and menu icons, and get checked for updates along with apt.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-05, 22:15
by ron_1
Off-topic:moonbat wrote:
You're better off using Steve's repo if using Mint. It will install the app with full path and menu icons, and get checked for updates along with apt.
That depends on how proficient the OP is on Linux.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-05, 23:38
by moonbat
Ubuntu and its derivatives are quite user friendly for people coming over from Windows (as is the case), besides there are
clear instructions given.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 08:00
by Moonchild
Off-topic:moonbat wrote: ↑2019-09-05, 23:38
Ubuntu and its derivatives are quite user friendly for people coming over from Windows
I beg to differ.
The Ubuntu out-of-the-box-experience is nothing at all like Windows. I know because I installed it not too long ago to make a Linux screenshot for Basilisk.
- You have this mixed launcher/taskbar with large icons on the left (with no clear indication what is running and what is not; a tiny orange dot at the very edge of your screen doesn't an indicator make) instead of a taskbar at the bottom.
- The application menu for installed applications is an unsorted mess that pretty much forces you to use search instead of categorized/grouped discovery
- The file manager is -nothing- like explorer
- The "Ubuntu software" shortcut is like a mobile app store
- Window frames have likewise mobile-first design with the menu under a hamburger button
- The bar/menu at the top is more Apple than Windows, disjoining application functions from the application window. This sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 08:31
by vannilla
Moonchild wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 08:00
Off-topic:
- The application menu for installed applications is an unsorted mess that pretty much forces you to use search instead of categorized/grouped discovery
- Window frames have likewise mobile-first design with the menu under a hamburger button
- The bar/menu at the top is more Apple than Windows, disjoining application functions from the application window. This sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
Off-topic:
In all fairness, these are caused mainly by GNOME, as in the latest version Ubuntu has switched to using it as the default desktop environment.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 08:34
by New Tobin Paradigm
AND Canonical has sunk money into Gnome to make it the defacto ubuntu experience.
It is badly infected by their bullshit and as a result everyone suffers including us via GTK.
So ye, don't blame the few remaining true gnome devs because they are likely the few keeping any small bits of stability and sanity in gnome.
It was all good before Canonical stuck their filthy fucking fingers into that particular pie. Such is the legacy of everyone's favorite distro from DE to upstream debian.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 10:19
by Isengrim
Off-topic:
@Moonchild have you tried Linux Mint with Cinnamon DE? I find it much more intuitive than Ubuntu's UI. Not totally the same as Windows of course, but there's none of the pretending to be Apple crap from Canonical.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 10:33
by moonbat
Moonchild wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 08:00
Off-topic:moonbat wrote: ↑2019-09-05, 23:38
Ubuntu and its derivatives are quite user friendly for people coming over from Windows
I beg to differ.
The Ubuntu out-of-the-box-experience is nothing at all like Windows.
I meant in comparison to regular Linux distros, not Windows. No comparison there
Where Linux distros are concerned, I'm quite happy with Mint - again, using Xfce and not Cinnamon. It is much closer to a traditional desktop without giant sized 'touchscreen first' UI. Then again, one finds applications written for GNOME 3, with the same idiocy of a hamburger menu instead of a normal one as perpetuated by Firefox. Also, the people behind Mint aren't fanatic about open source, so they give you the option of installing proprietary codecs and drivers (nVidia display drivers, mostly) if your system requires them. At least that makes it accessible to regular folk (in a way that doesn't apply in the case of browser DRM, that is optional in a way hardware device drivers aren't. If a Linux distro refuses to support hardware on principle because there is no open source driver available, no one but Richard Stallman fanboys will use it).
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 10:35
by Lootyhoof
New Tobin Paradigm wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 08:34
It was all good before Canonical stuck their filthy fucking fingers into that particular pie.
GNOME 3.x came about with much resistance from Canonical though. They made Unity a thing for a while to try to keep away from it.
Of course that fizzled out and now they push for GNOME. I'm more for KDE myself (for you Ubuntu folks there's a spin for that: Kubuntu (or KDE Neon, depending what you prefer)) but even XFCE or LXQT would be usable for me. Maybe Cinnamon too. Though I use Manjaro so not entirely sure how those DEs act on Ubuntu-based distros.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 11:06
by Moonraker
Ubuntu is a dreadful distro and is now full of spyware and other proprietary crap.I tend not to use any so called high end distro except perhaps for linux lite but the problem is these distros absolutely hammer the disk drive and mint is a bstd for doing it.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 11:27
by New Tobin Paradigm
Moonraker wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 11:06
Ubuntu is a dreadful distro and is now full of spyware and other proprietary crap.I tend not to use any so called high end distro except perhaps for linux lite but the problem is these distros absolutely hammer the disk drive and mint is a bstd for doing it.
Off-topic:A few more rational reflections on reality like this and I might even start to tollerate you
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 12:02
by Night Wing
Off-topic:
When I first saw Windows 8 on October 26th of 2012, I instinctively knew what direction Microsoft was going to and that direction was not for me. Windows 10 confirmed my instinct was spot on. So in late December of 2012, I start researching linux distros, both rolling releases and stable versions. I found out quite quickly rolling releases were not for me. The stable distros were so I tried Ubuntu, SolydXK, Linux Lite and Mint. Mint was my final and best choice.
I tried Mint in the Cinnamon, Mate and Xfce desktop environments. I found Xfce was the best desktop environment for me. I found it more customizable than either Cinnamon or Mate with more choices. As an example under "Appearance", in the "Style" tab, there are 75 choices.
Mint has two start menus too. The Whisker Menu which, to me, reminds me of the Windows 7 Start Menu. But it also comes with the old Applications Menu which reminds me of stacked menu and this is the menu I use in Mint Xfce. I don't think the old Applications Menu is listed in either Cinnamon or Mate. I could be wrong on that.
Starting with Mint 19, Mint now comes with the default Mint-Y-Theme which I do not care for, but they still have the Mint-X-Theme which I prefer because it is easy on my eyes. Mint Xfce does not hammer my hard drives (I've got 5 Mint Xfce hard drives) either.
So for me; Mint met my three main choices of "needs, wants and likes". And I've been using Mint Xfce for almost 9 years now.
BTW, since my linux Pale Moon is "not" installed, I run it from the executable file. Since Pale Moon is not installed, it does not show up in the Mint menu or in the Synaptic Package Manager. In Xfce, I've learned how to create the Pale Moon launcher icon by using either Pale Moon's Image files or Mint's Image files. And during the last 9 years of running Pale Moon this way, I've never encountered any problems use wise.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 14:30
by Moonchild
Off-topic:Night Wing wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 12:02
And during the last 9 years of running Pale Moon this way, I've never encountered any problems use wise.
Wow, that's neat -- I didn't know there was a Linux version back in 2010.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 16:51
by Night Wing
Moonchild wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 14:30
Off-topic:Night Wing wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 12:02
And during the last 9 years of running Pale Moon this way, I've never encountered any problems use wise.
Wow, that's neat -- I didn't know there was a Linux version back in 2010.
Off-topic:
Wow! So I made a typo in dates. So if you want to check everything I type, go ahead. And you can start with my next sentence.
I started with linux Firefox back in 2012 and them moved to linux Pale Moon in January of 2014 when linux Pale Moon was officially released to the public in January of 2014.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-06, 17:21
by Fedor2
I for linux mint too, i have few ignorant users who like nasty sites, they are >5 years set on linux mint and very happy. No needed to do any settings beside installing Palemoon. But not ubuntu mint and only version based on debian.
Re: Palemoon icon(launcher)
Posted: 2019-09-09, 13:28
by Moonchild
Off-topic:Night Wing wrote: ↑2019-09-06, 16:51
So if you want to check everything I type, go ahead. And you can start with my next sentence.
That snark was completely unnecessary. But fine, I'll pay less attention to anything you write from now on.
