What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-09-11, 09:19

Pale06 wrote:
2019-09-11, 08:39
OK, thanks.
With all that said. For as long as I am doing the linux builds and as long as we are offering the 32bit build.. I will do my very best to provide the most compatible legacy-bent build that I can reasonably produce.

This I promise to the Linux 32bit users. Just keep it updated ;)

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Tokia » 2019-09-11, 12:10

Thank you very much for all the hard work toward 32bit.

I believe you're respected and thanked from all those who still runs 32bit system, and while there are still distro supporting it Debian, Devuan, Alpine, Void, MX and many others, I think you are doing a commendable job helping tremendously users of these systems.

Well, when the final last tick comes for 32bit that will come naturally (or rapidly), 2020 or 2022 let's call it a closed chapter.

For now, BIG THANKS!

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Walter Dnes » 2019-09-12, 21:14

The 32-bit tarball seems to be available at http://linux.palemoon.org/datastore/rel ... 86.tar.bz2 Shouldn't there be an announcement in the release announcements thread viewtopic.php?f=37&t=19907 ?
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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-09-12, 21:54

Yeah, I cannot post in that thread. Also screw that thread. I declare it old and insecure.

How can a thread be insecure you ask? Well, I don't have to answer or prove that it is. No one else does so why are you asking me to.

ANYWAY. The Linux announcement thread is redundent at any rate. Has been since the updater was enabled. I released only slightly after Pale Moon for Windows was scheduled to be released. Not my fault the Windows builds were released early.. I was asleep.

Bottom line, be thankful there are any Linux releases.

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Mike_Walsh » 2019-09-14, 20:58

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:
2019-09-11, 08:16
Quite frankly I am not happy with the combination of obviously old hardware, operating system, and lack of keeping up on browser updates.
From another 'Puppy' user, new to this board:-

I have to confess, I'm curious about this remark. For those of us in the Puppy community, many have no choice but to run older hardware. At least with Puppy, we're able to run reasonably up-to-date OSes, due to Pup's tiny size and lightweight requirements.

And there are obvious dichotomies with recommended requirements. I run a 'kennels' of 11 Puppies, currently.....on a 2005, Compaq Presario desktop PC (highly-modded, and upgraded to within an inch of its life..! :lol: )

- 'UPup Raring', based on the Ubuntu 13.04 release (glibc 2.17), that's just started complaining - it's the libstdc++ thing.

- Racy 5.5 (last of the old 'T2' builds, from several years ago), well; one of our community members has just produced a workaround for that, involving a re-compile of the GLib stuff, and a self-contained version of glibc 2.19, called via LD_PRELOAD. (Racy's native glibc is an ancient 2.11).

- Tahrpup 6.0.6 (glibc 2.19) still working OK. Ditto Xenialpup, BionicPup, DPup 'Stretch. Plus various others...

- Curiously, however, 'Slacko' 5.6.0 (based on Slackware 14.0 (glibc 2.15) is running current 28.7.1 without any complaints....

As I said, sometimes stuff just doesn't seem to add up..!


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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-09-14, 21:35

Request denied. RESOLVED FIXED.

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Mike_Walsh » 2019-09-14, 22:06

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:
2019-09-14, 21:35
Request denied. RESOLVED FIXED.
:eh: ??

Actually, no request was made (that I'm aware of). Merely making a couple of observations, and recounting one 'workaround'.....in case anybody was curious.

(NO intention to 'rock the boat'. Certainly hope it didn't come across that way... :oops: )


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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-09-14, 23:27

Pale Moon 28.7.0 was the odd man out due to the adhoc and emergency nature of which it was produced. 28.7.1 is now using GCC 4.9 and requires at least glibc 2.12 also GTK 2.24. This will be maintained for the lifetime of Pale Moon for Linux 32bit. So whatever last minute workarounds and procedures a few distros did for 28.7.0 are not required going forward.

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Mike_Walsh » 2019-09-15, 00:37

New Tobin Paradigm wrote:
2019-09-14, 23:27
Pale Moon 28.7.0 was the odd man out due to the adhoc and emergency nature of which it was produced. 28.7.1 is now using GCC 4.9 and requires at least glibc 2.12 also GTK 2.24. This will be maintained for the lifetime of Pale Moon for Linux 32bit. So whatever last minute workarounds and procedures a few distros did for 28.7.0 are not required going forward.
Fair comment. That's good to know. Cheers for the info..!


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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by AlexC » 2019-09-15, 17:18

I just wanted to say "thanks" to New Tobin Paradigm for keeping the 32-bit package alive in this way. Some of us on old, quirky hardware or hobby-type systems really appreciate it.

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by greyowl » 2019-09-15, 18:36

AlexC wrote:
2019-09-15, 17:18
I just wanted to say "thanks" to New Tobin Paradigm for keeping the 32-bit package alive in this way. Some of us on old, quirky hardware or hobby-type systems really appreciate it.
ditto

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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Mike_Walsh » 2019-09-15, 22:02

I, too, want to thank Tobin.

'Hobby' systems pretty much sums 'Puppy' up, and, despite 64-bit having been around for nearly 2 decades (we don't really count Itanium, 'cos it was one of the biggest 'white elephants' in the history of modern computing; the story really starts with the family to which my own CPU belongs.....the AMD Athlon64), many of us find that 32-bit Pups just seem to run faster.....even on 64-bit hardware. And the 64-bitzers aren't 'slow', by a long chalk.....even though 64-bit Puppies are a fairly recent development, given that Pup's 'raison d'étre' has always been that of keeping ancient hardware alive.

There's still a hell of a lot of perfectly functional 32-bit hardware around, in many cases going begging..... :thumbup: I'm no 'green warrior', but it makes no sense to me at all to chuck out working gear, just to 'keep up with the Joneses', so to speak.....in the process clogging up the world's already over-full landfills even further.

So the maintenance of the 32-bit Linux builds is very much appreciated by the Puppy community as a whole, I feel. For which I just want to say, "Thank you", Tobin.


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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by Moonraker » 2019-09-15, 22:24

ron_1 wrote:
2019-08-31, 22:14
Moonraker wrote:
I find it very f*****g annoying when large internet companies dictates what hardware etc we should be catering for.Once again freedom of choice is being taken away
It's called the free market place. Nobody wants 32 bit computers anymore, so why should anybody make 32 bit apps?
So what actual statistics or facts do you have which suggest people do not want 32 bit anymore.?.Or is that just an opinion of yours.?.

Not everyone wants or needs the latest and greatest shinies. :D
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Re: What happened to 28.7 for Linux?

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-09-15, 22:37

I appreciate your praise and thanks as fleeting as they may be. It might be just enough to keep me going in general for the short term.

However, I would prefer another 32bit discussion does not happen.

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