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can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby damtor » Thu, 01 Dec 2016, 17:36

I've been having some trouble playing videos on vimeo, and dailymotion.
I thought/assumed the problem was something related to my preferences or add-ons.
But I just downloaded the newest version of Pale Moon (27.0.1) for 64 bit, installed it,
and ran it as a new user (using all default preferences and no add-ons).

I can't play videos on vimeo or dailymotion.
vimeo gives me this error:

Please update your browser or try a different one.

dailymotion reports:

This video can't be played with your current setup.

I'm running PCLinuxOS if it matters/helps.

Both websites work fine with Google Chrome.

Any advice on how to figure out what's causing this behavior?

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby helloimustbegoing » Thu, 01 Dec 2016, 23:30

Not sure it's a Pale Moon problem; both sites work just fine for me. I'm on Linux Mint 18. Which option are you using under compatibility mode? I'm using Gecko.

[ Compatibility mode is found under Preferences >> Advanced >> General tab. ]

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby damtor » Fri, 02 Dec 2016, 03:35

helloimustbegoing wrote:Not sure it's a Pale Moon problem; both sites work just fine for me. I'm on Linux Mint 18. Which option are you using under compatibility mode? I'm using Gecko.

[ Compatibility mode is found under Preferences >> Advanced >> General tab. ]


By default (which is what I tried first), it's gecko. Per your suggestion, I tried the other 2 options:
native and firefox compatibility. All 3 behave the same for me.

It may not be a PM issue; I'm just hoping for help figuring out what's causing this behavior...

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby trava90 » Fri, 02 Dec 2016, 14:17

Did you start having trouble with the v27 update? If so, please ensure you have GStreamer 1.x plugins and gst-libav installed.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby Terryphi » Fri, 02 Dec 2016, 16:32

gst-libav is not available in Linux Mint 18 repositories.
Linux Mint 18.3 64bit MATE. Latest unstable build of Pale Moon and Basilisk.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby Terryphi » Fri, 02 Dec 2016, 16:40

Terryphi wrote:gst-libav is not available in Linux Mint 18 repositories.


CORRECTION. It is present as gstreamer1.0-libav.
Linux Mint 18.3 64bit MATE. Latest unstable build of Pale Moon and Basilisk.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby damtor » Sat, 03 Dec 2016, 02:10

Yes, I have trouble even using the newest 27.0.2 release.
gstreamer is installed.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby trava90 » Sat, 03 Dec 2016, 02:54

Dailymotion and Vimeo works fine for me. Have you tried with a new profile?

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby stevepusser » Sat, 03 Dec 2016, 18:51

Damtor, you very probably need to install the gstreamer 1.0 good and bad plugins packages, along with the equivalent of gstreamer1.0-libav or -ffmpeg in PCLinuxOS. The search in Synaptic can help you, or I'm sure someone on the PCLinux forums can give you the exact name of those packages on your platform.

PCLinuxOS also has some good packagers; perhaps they'd add a built-from-source PM to their repository that'll pull in or at least recommend the correct gstreamer packages if you ask them.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby gracious1 » Fri, 09 Dec 2016, 02:40

Wowie! Thanks for posting the above suggestion. Although I wasn't having any problem playing videos, I was actually having problems with audio playback at WordReference.com. When I would click the sound icon, I would get an error message telling me that mp3 playback wasn't supported, and that I needed to install gstreamer. Well, I knew I had it installed, but when you suggested going to Synaptic to see what else was there, a lightbulb went off (Could this apply to me, too?) .... I saw I had "good" and "bad" already installed, so I added "ugly", and then I added some plug-ins related to VA-API, and then I took a stab at a couple of other things. Audio playback at WordReference works now! :clap:

Now, if I could get audio to work properly at Duolingo.com, I wouldn't have to use Firefox at all anymore. :think:


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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby plonkomat » Sun, 11 Dec 2016, 15:44

stevepusser wrote:Damtor, you very probably need to install the gstreamer 1.0 good and bad plugins packages, along with the equivalent of gstreamer1.0-libav or -ffmpeg in PCLinuxOS. The search in Synaptic can help you, or I'm sure someone on the PCLinux forums can give you the exact name of those packages on your platform.


Hello,

I had the same problem. Now I installed gtramer-1.0-libav via Synaptic.
Everything works now.

May I suggest to include this packet in the repository - I mean as a dependency.
So everybody could just install PM and H.264 would be possible to watch from the beginning on.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby trava90 » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 05:03

plonkomat wrote:May I suggest to include this packet in the repository - I mean as a dependency.
So everybody could just install PM and H.264 would be possible to watch from the beginning on.

Thanks for the suggestion, but Pale Moon on Linux will no longer be dependent on GStreamer for H.264 video beginning with v27.1

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby plonkomat » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 18:43

trava90 wrote:
plonkomat wrote:May I suggest to include this packet in the repository - I mean as a dependency.
So everybody could just install PM and H.264 would be possible to watch from the beginning on.

Thanks for the suggestion, but Pale Moon on Linux will no longer be dependent on GStreamer for H.264 video beginning with v27.1


So maybe then I did something wrong and most other users on Linux could watch H.264 videos on Linux without having installed this gstreamer packet and without 3rd party plugins?

I have Linux Mint 18.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby stevepusser » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 19:02

plonkomat wrote:
stevepusser wrote:Damtor, you very probably need to install the gstreamer 1.0 good and bad plugins packages, along with the equivalent of gstreamer1.0-libav or -ffmpeg in PCLinuxOS. The search in Synaptic can help you, or I'm sure someone on the PCLinux forums can give you the exact name of those packages on your platform.


Hello,

I had the same problem. Now I installed gtramer-1.0-libav via Synaptic.
Everything works now.

May I suggest to include this packet in the repository - I mean as a dependency.
So everybody could just install PM and H.264 would be possible to watch from the beginning on.


Actually, I did give this some thought. The PM we build for MX Linux, a Debian derivative, does have the gstreamer packages as hard dependencies, since apt is set to not install recommended packages by default, unlike Debian, and our distro is newbie-friendly and we want everything to "just work".

On the other hand, I can't know how other distros that can use the OBS repository have their --install-recommends default set. There are some, such as CrunchBang and BunsenLabs, as well as a sizable contingent of grumpy Debian users, that want minimalist installs and would snarl over me forcing the install of those gstreamer packages for those "stupid social networking sites that I never use". In the end, I just have them as Suggested packages, much like the old PPA I adapted the build system from. A user can see those via

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apt show palemoon


A better solution would be for each distro to add PM to their own repository with the Recommended and Suggested packages tuned to how they have apt settings and how minimalist they want to be.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby trava90 » Mon, 12 Dec 2016, 22:20

plonkomat wrote:So maybe then I did something wrong and most other users on Linux could watch H.264 videos on Linux without having installed this gstreamer packet and without 3rd party plugins?

No I doubt you did anything wrong. GStreamer is still required on all distros at this point. It won't be until Pale Moon 27.1.0 that we won't be dependent on GSteamer for video anymore.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby stevepusser » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 02:01

Is 27.1 going to build against a system's ffmpeg headers; such as Debian's libavcodec-dev for those headers, and will it require the real ffmpeg instead of the libav fork? Or is going to bundle ffmpeg source and build an internal version? As far as I can tell, Ubuntu didn't switch back to the real ffmpeg from libav until 16.04. I know how to backport the real ffmpeg at least to a Debian 7 equivalent in the OBS, it's just not a really quick job.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby trava90 » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 06:00

We will have bundled headers to build against (see https://github.com/MoonchildProductions ... rms/ffmpeg), and will specifically be looking for/using libavcodec.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby Walter Dnes » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 09:47

trava90 wrote:We will have bundled headers to build against (see https://github.com/MoonchildProductions ... rms/ffmpeg), and will specifically be looking for/using libavcodec.

Will the codec be bundled in the Pale Moon source? I'm not sure if "libavcodec" is something separate, but I know that Gentoo does not support installing the main media-video/ffmpeg and media-video/libav simultaneously. I am currently running gst-plugins-libav with ffmpeg installed.

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[i660][waltdnes][~] emerge -p libav

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N     ] media-video/libav-11.8  USE="X bzip2 encode gpl hardcoded-tables network ssl threads truetype webp x264 x265 zlib -aac -alsa (-altivec) -amr (-armv5te) (-armv6) (-armv6t2) (-armvfp) -bs2b -cdio -cpudetection -custom-cflags -debug -doc -faac -fdk -fontconfig -frei0r -gsm -ieee1394 -jack -jpeg2k (-libressl) -mp3 (-neon) -openssl -opus -oss -pic -pulseaudio -rtmp -schroedinger -sdl -speex -static-libs {-test} -theora -tools -twolame -v4l -vaapi -vdpau -vorbis -vpx -wavpack -xvid" CPU_FLAGS_X86="avx mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 -3dnow -3dnowext -avx2 -fma3 -fma4 -xop"
[blocks B      ] media-video/ffmpeg:0 ("media-video/ffmpeg:0" is blocking media-video/libav-11.8)

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby trava90 » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 10:05

No, only the headers needed to build against will be bundled with Pale Moon's source. Pale moon will check for libavcodec to be installed on the system (it is a component of FFmpeg and LibAV). gst-libav is nothing more than a wrapper for GStreamer to use LibAV. In 27.1, we will be essentially bypassing the (crashy) GStreamer wrapper and using libavcodec directly.

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Re: can't play videos on vimeo and dailymotion

Postby Walter Dnes » Tue, 13 Dec 2016, 13:37

trava90 wrote:No, only the headers needed to build against will be bundled with Pale Moon's source. Pale moon will check for libavcodec to be installed on the system (it is a component of FFmpeg and LibAV)

Thanks; the name "libavcodec" had me confused. Most Gentoo users run with ffmpeg, but a few run with libav. It's one of those situations where "there can only be one". When 27.1 is released, the announcement should mention that it'll work against either of ffmpeg and libav. Till now, all the talk has been about ffmpeg.
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