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Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby Aube Bleue » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:04 pm

Moonchild, if FossaMail falls sadly into disuse, what client do you intend to use, personally? Would you go back to "building Thunderbird privately"? I'd like to know, if you don't mind me asking.
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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby Moonchild » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:03 pm

Aube Bleue wrote:Moonchild, if FossaMail falls sadly into disuse, what client do you intend to use, personally? Would you go back to "building Thunderbird privately"? I'd like to know, if you don't mind me asking.

I'd most likely make (very infrequent) builds of FossaMail for my own use, based on what is there now, with critical sec updates. The client works for my use, and isn't as exposed to sec issues as a browser would be (because no javascript).
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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby half-moon » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:59 pm

Moonchild wrote:
Aube Bleue wrote:Moonchild, if FossaMail falls sadly into disuse, what client do you intend to use, personally? Would you go back to "building Thunderbird privately"? I'd like to know, if you don't mind me asking.

I'd most likely make (very infrequent) builds of FossaMail for my own use, based on what is there now, with critical sec updates. The client works for my use, and isn't as exposed to sec issues as a browser would be (because no javascript).


since I'm a bit paranoid, is it possible to configure thunderbird to be as secure as fossamail?

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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby New Tobin Paradigm » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:54 pm

That depends on your definition of security. Not having JS Enabled for message content already makes it more "secure" but if you are thinking about anything that might come from the overall platform code? Then maybe not. But again, it depends on your definition.
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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby GreenGeek » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:20 pm

I've been evaluating email alternatives all day. TB uses just over half the RAM that FM does (90 vs 160 MB), so FM is out of favor for me unless it has a new development that causes me to reconsider (but I'll keep it to see what happens). But I never really liked the TB platform anyway - it was always too much of a memory hog for my use, and I don't like pages opening in a built-in browser. I like Sylpheed best as a lightweight email client (~6MB) (closest to what I used for a decade and a half). The only bad point was no spell checking, and my typing on laptop with bad keys is a problem. So, I reinstalled Pegasus to try it again. I got it working; it uses ~30MB. It's about the only old legendary email app still in development. I may stick with it as primary and TB and Sylpheed as heavy and light backup choices. If you use another email program and just miss the Lightning calendar then using Sunbird is an option (~30MB).

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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby New Tobin Paradigm » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:31 pm

GreenGeek wrote:I've been evaluating email alternatives all day. TB uses just over half the RAM that FM does (90 vs 160 MB), so FM is out of favor for me unless it has a new development that causes me to reconsider (but I'll keep it to see what happens). But I never really liked the TB platform anyway - it was always too much of a memory hog for my use, and I don't like pages opening in a built-in browser. I like Sylpheed best as a lightweight email client (~6MB) (closest to what I used for a decade and a half). The only bad point was no spell checking, and my typing on laptop with bad keys is a problem. So, I reinstalled Pegasus to try it again. I got it working; it uses ~30MB. It's about the only old legendary email app still in development. I may stick with it as primary and TB and Sylpheed as heavy and light backup choices. If you use another email program and just miss the Lightning calendar then using Sunbird is an option (~30MB).


Do I just attract off topic and misinformed people?

Sunbird has been dead since 2010.. The standalone code doesn't even exist anymore.. As for your other musings.. What does that have to do with the price of eggs at the corner store during winter in England?
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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby GreenGeek » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:40 pm

Not replying to you, bulldog - just commenting on FM status and alternatives. I don't give a crap what you think, or anybody else for that matter.

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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby BlueSnow » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:02 am

GreenGeek wrote:I've been evaluating email alternatives all day. TB uses just over half the RAM that FM does (90 vs 160 MB), so FM is out of favor for me unless it has a new development that causes me to reconsider (but I'll keep it to see what happens). But I never really liked the TB platform anyway - it was always too much of a memory hog for my use, and I don't like pages opening in a built-in browser. I like Sylpheed best as a lightweight email client (~6MB) (closest to what I used for a decade and a half). The only bad point was no spell checking, and my typing on laptop with bad keys is a problem. So, I reinstalled Pegasus to try it again. I got it working; it uses ~30MB. It's about the only old legendary email app still in development. I may stick with it as primary and TB and Sylpheed as heavy and light backup choices. If you use another email program and just miss the Lightning calendar then using Sunbird is an option (~30MB).
I think Claws Mail is related to, or at least similar to, Sylpheed; but has spell checking.

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Re: New maintainer for FossaMail

Postby hackerman1 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:20 am

GreenGeek wrote:...I don't give a crap what you think, or anybody else for that matter.


That´s obvious, since the topic for this thread is New maintainer for FossaMail, not alternatives to FossaMail... ;) :)
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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby GreenGeek » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:06 pm

BlueSnow wrote:I think Claws Mail is related to, or at least similar to, Sylpheed; but has spell checking.


Thanks for reminding me - I had tried it quite some time ago but forgot. Seems like a good fit.
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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby MGA74 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:39 pm

hackerman1

When I scroll up to read the very first post on this thread it is entitled 'Alternatives to FossaMail'.

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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby DutchPete » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:40 pm

MGA74 wrote:hackerman1

When I scroll up to read the very first post on this thread it is entitled 'Alternatives to FossaMail'.

The original thread was about New Maintainer for FossaMail, but when people started to ask about alternatives a moderator must have transferred those post to this new thread. But some people on this new thread are still talking about Fossamail, hence the confusion.

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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby hackerman1 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:47 pm

MGA74 wrote:hackerman1

When I scroll up to read the very first post on this thread it is entitled 'Alternatives to FossaMail'.


Yes it is, now... ;)
This thread is a split-off from another thread: New Maintainer for FossaMail.
Since that thread was going off-topic, i pointed out what the topic was.
And reported it, suggesting a split-off...
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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby mseliger » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:08 pm

Well, FossaMail is shutdown (https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=15430).
Some alternatives:
1. SimpleMail-Addon for Pale Moon
Get your mail in your browser. At least the pop3 support works fine (i do not use imap - but the program provide support for imap).
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-mail
I use this one on daily basis - I have used FossaMail (and now Seamonkey) only for archiving e-mails which I don't need anymore in SimpleMail.

2. Sylpheed e-Mail Client (Windows / Linux)
http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/

3. Claws Mail (a fork of Sylpheed) (Windows / Linux)
Has more add-ons and functions the Sylpheed.
http://www.claws-mail.org/

4. Seamonkey
Extremely lightweight browser / e-mail client in contrast to Firefox. Hoping the development go further.
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby New Tobin Paradigm » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:21 pm

SeaMonkey won't survive the great XUL purge of 2017.. It is as valid of an alternative as Thunderbird is. Don't kid yourself.
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Postby Moonchild » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:58 pm

SeaMonkey is anything but lightweight - it is as heavy as Firefox because it uses the same back-end.
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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby Fedor2 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:24 pm

I never have seen fossamail or its mozilla analogue, but consider that this software function is like office outlook. So why not outlook then? Also i cannot imagine regular office manager with non windows machine, so matter about linux alternative fall away. I was using outlook when it was on office 2003, it does what is needed perfectly, and you have all other office powers like vba. 2003 office for today likely will be very cheap.

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Postby Moonchild » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:31 pm

I'm not one to easily promote outlook because it has a few very nasty, persistent behaviors that Microsoft considers "by design", like the dreaded "winmail.dat" attachments that are actually the mail's contents. :P Not to mention poorly-constructed "html e-mail"
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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby KNTRO » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:36 am

As for me, I will probably end using Opera Mail on Windows for some accounts, which is extremely lightweight. I however can't remember if it has ever received an update, so I guess it's pretty outdated… :( Darn.

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Re: Alternatives to FossaMail

Postby mseliger » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:37 am

Matt A Tobin wrote:SeaMonkey won't survive the great XUL purge of 2017.. It is as valid of an alternative as Thunderbird is. Don't kid yourself.

It's not sure, if it survived or not - but I can change every time to Claws Mail or Sylpheed with installed ImportExporterTools in Seamonkey (or Thunderbird or FossaMail), because they also support .mbox-Files. Also Simplemail can export messages to .mbox files.
SeaMonkey is anything but lightweight - it is as heavy as Firefox because it uses the same back-end.

Using both browser for a long time Seamonkey is using much less memory (with Linux) then Firefox with a running Thunderbird. It is more lightweight, consume less memory and has more privacy - this is also the reason while the program is shipped with the lightweight Ubuntu edition LXLE (an alternative to Lubuntu which I use (http://www.lxle.net/)). A lot of function of Firefox are not built-in in Seamonkey (e. g. Pocket, System-addons, Telemetry, no Australis, the sidebar and the manage of the "library" is different, shipping of updates). Firefox is only the background.
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