You should add dates to the release notes

[hackerman1]

You should add dates to the release-notes.

Now it looks like this:
"Release Notes
25.1.2
FossaMail 25.1.2 is a maintenance release of the client."

That doesn´t tell when it was released, which of course is interesting if a "customer" wants to check if a new version has been released.
I suggest adding dates, making it look like the release notes for Pale Moon.

[trava90]

The release date is readily available: you can find it in the "News/Announcements" board in the FossaMail section, and also FOSSHub has a "last updated" date just below the files for download.

(Moonchild may add the date to the release notes for future releases, since the Pale Moon release notes include dates).

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Also don't forget the user agent has the build date which averages around a week before release. You can always check that of a currently installed version.

Regardless, like all Moonchild Productions products.. You should be running the latest version regardless. This is especially true of FossaMail because while it may not get a massive number of mail client specific updates at present.. It does pick up all the back-end updates from Pale Moon including important security ones.

Keep in mind that updates and new versions of our products are not released for crazy 'cause like some OTHERS but to address real world concerns and issues.

[hackerman1]

Regardless, like all Moonchild Productions products.. You should be running the latest version regardless.

Yes.
And that is why I suggested adding dates to the release-notes.
So "customers" can see if a new version has been released...
I don´t use FossaMail as my primary emailclient, but I´m interested in trying new versions.

[hackerman1]

The release date is readily available: you can find it in the "News/Announcements" board in the FossaMail section, and also FOSSHub has a "last updated" date just below the files for download.

(Moonchild may add the date to the release notes for future releases, since the Pale Moon release notes include dates).

Yes, the dates can be found in "News/Announcements".
But that´s no "excuse" for not putting them in the release-notes....

[squarefractal]

The problem, I assume, is that both the sites (palemoon. org / fossamail. com) are quite difficult to maintain due to the use of only and only HTML.

IMO, Moonchild should move his sites to a custom written solution that would make his job a bit easier. (e.g. the releasenotes could just be a script that pulls in data from the forum threads, the "top news" on the home page could do the same, and so on.)

[Moonchild]

And where, pray tell, do you think I would find the time to write a "custom solution" if I wouldn't have time to update some simple HTML?
Unlike some masochists (you know who you are) I do use a wysiwyg HTML editor

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Off-topic:

Unlike some masochists (you know who you are)

Hi!

[Moonchild]

Clocked myself updating the release notes with dates: 96 seconds start to finish (including upload).

[squarefractal]

Off-topic:

do you think I would find the time to write a "custom solution" if I wouldn't have time to update some simple HTML?

Because you don't find the time to write some HTML is exactly why you should spend an hour writing a custom solution.
But I guess it would go against the fundamental rule of human psychology: "Do it for now, fuck the future."

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Off-topic:

do you think I would find the time to write a "custom solution" if I wouldn't have time to update some simple HTML?

Because you don't find the time to write some HTML is exactly why you should spend an hour writing a custom solution.
But I guess it would go against the fundamental rule of human psychology: "Do it for now, fuck the future."

Moonchild prefers to deal with flat html (with some server side includes) with his WYSIWYG editor. This does bring some nifty advantages vs a scripted solution. Speed and low resource usage for one.

I on the other hand prefer to deal with raw html and scripted solutions.

In any case if a solution was needed one of us (or both) would do it.

[Moonchild]

Off-topic:

But I guess it would go against the fundamental rule of human psychology: "Do it for now, fuck the future."

No, I do prefer solutions that are future-proof and reduce workload (I'm busy enough as it is). But in what way would a scripted solution help that would be worth an hour (not counting testing and bugfixing in the future) to write to add a date when I'm writing up release notes in HTML anyway?

And no, I won't make it a Wordpress site. I like my maintainability and lack of security exploits, thanks.

[squarefractal]

Off-topic:

But in what way would a scripted solution help that would be worth an hour (not counting testing and bugfixing in the future) to write to add a date when I'm writing up release notes in HTML anyway?

I was talking about the whole shebang: you write release notes in the forum announcement, and again on the website, and then have to link it to the "top news" section on the front page, update the download pages with the correct links, etc. This does take a lot of time, and you could leave it to a script pull it from the feed and update things automatically.

You can still have static HTML if you prefer that. And, no, I wasn't advising you to use Wordpress, that would be overkill.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Off-topic:
This WAS actually suggested by me at some point but it really wasn't worth the trouble. However, a similar solution in in place on the add-ons site for announcements but that is accomplished with some tricky css and the service rssinclude.com and it has its limitations. I have not written a proper solution yet... Maybe when I do the issue can be revisited. We both use the solutions that work best for our workflow and yet present a consistent familiar appearance between the MCP and BinOC hosted servers.. which is COOL!

[back2themoon]

Help/Release Notes doesn't work btw (also What's New).

[Moonchild]

Help/Release Notes doesn't work btw (also What's New).

It should work but Thunderbird code is fickle about not picking up branding preferences.