Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Moonchild » 2014-10-15, 20:03

Just to add a little thing about the major/minor updates: If you check the forum about this in the past, you will see that people have complained every single time a minor update was presented and pushed as a minor update. As a result I gave up in the end, and made every single update act as if it is a major update with all the extra info, dialogs and confirmations associated with it. This was a direct result of the community being unhappy about being served minor updates in a semi-automatic fashion (since there really is no reason, ever, to not install a minor point release) because apparently my judgement based on my knowledge about what I changed in the code and about what would be eligible for a hands-free installation was pulled in doubt.

You have only yourself to blame for the end result being no distinction between major and minor update processes ;-)
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Supernova » 2014-10-15, 20:23

Moonchild wrote:You have only yourself to blame for the end result being no distinction between major and minor update processes ;-)
This become a little hard to read such statements again and again. :cry:

I got another update popup, so I looked at it with more attention. Since I disabled auto-update anyway ; it was pretty much the same proposing to jump to v25.0.1 from 24.7.2 than to 24.7.2 from 24.7.1 ; the numbers of the new version taken apart. There is a true lack of a kind of small but obvious informative/warning text.
Of course I don't pretend this is main priority, but small things adding end into big things. :angel:


Otherwise ; will Palemoon addon site be populated with link to AMO page of addons tried and tested to work well with PM25 (based on a "known compatible addons list") ? It feels really empty atm.

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-15, 20:32

Yes. A few are already there. Add-ons on the site that are tested and known working will be intermixed with our add-ons with a [AMO] tag beside it. I have been focusing on broken add-ons right now rather than working. Give it time.
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Sariel » 2014-10-15, 20:40

So do we have a "Known Working Add-ons" thread, since the Compatibility one is for non-working add-ons?

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by steviem1 » 2014-10-15, 20:41

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Hey, brushy I've just realized you're buggy back here on the forum under a different guise, let's call a truce, welcome back.

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Supernova » 2014-10-15, 20:42

Sariel wrote:So do we have a "Known Working Add-ons" thread, since the Compatibility one is for non-working add-ons?
This was indeed what I would have wanted to know with my question (well in part, the fact that it will be done is the other part of what I asked, and was clearly answered ^^), since this recquire a lot of user testing.

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-15, 20:43

Sariel wrote:So do we have a "Known Working Add-ons" thread, since the Compatibility one is for non-working add-ons?
Assume they work until it is apparent they don't then report ones that do not
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Moonchild » 2014-10-15, 20:43

Supernova wrote:
Moonchild wrote:You have only yourself to blame for the end result being no distinction between major and minor update processes ;-)
This become a little hard to read such statements again and again. :cry:
Well, it's the result of me having to read the same statement again and again about updates being "installed without explicit consent" and similar.
I got very tired of that dance whenever I dared to put "minor" for a minor point release where nobody would ever have any logical reason to skip it. There's only so much complaining I will contend with before choosing what I think is a poor choice but one the community apparently insists on... :|
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Supernova » 2014-10-15, 20:52

Matt A Tobin wrote:
Sariel wrote:So do we have a "Known Working Add-ons" thread, since the Compatibility one is for non-working add-ons?
Assume they work until it is apparent they don't then report ones that do not
But this don't help you for this :
Matt A Tobin wrote:Add-ons on the site that are tested and known working will be intermixed with our add-ons with a [AMO] tag beside it.
:?: :think:

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Sariel » 2014-10-15, 20:54

Matt A Tobin wrote: Assume they work until it is apparent they don't then report ones that do not
Alright, I suppose its better to give some time for the actual add-on developers (or Pale Moon fork developers ;) ) to come around . . . plus it also gives you some time to manage the add-on site before caring about making a tested and proved compatible add-ons list.
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-15, 20:54

I have a whole thread of suggested add-ons for the site plus the whole thread about "what add-ons do you use" i got plenty of data for now regarding ones that could be added as working good ones ;)

Also, it won't be a list.. it will be add-ons on listed in the categories and via the search as add-ons with that little [AMO] tag to denote that you will be redirected to amo
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Supernova » 2014-10-15, 20:59

I do remember these threads, sure you have got a loooot of data to what to aim for. ^^
But - and sorry to insist, I don't want to annoy you, I just want to understand - couldn't the step "confirming that the addon indeed work with PM25, including some options burried in the dark" be launched now ?

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-15, 21:07

Supernova wrote:I do remember these threads, sure you have got a loooot of data to what to aim for. ^^
But - and sorry to insist, I don't want to annoy you, I just want to understand - couldn't the step "confirming that the addon indeed work with PM25, including some options burried in the dark" be launched now ?
What are you talking about?
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by mikeysc » 2014-10-15, 21:09

Users could do a known good list ourselves and let Tobin focus on the higher priority stuff. I know some of us including me could post it on our own sites. (Or a special thread here as long as it doesn't get sidetracked but I don't know if that is realistic.)

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-15, 21:17

Do it mikeysc.. You're in charge!
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by brushy » 2014-10-15, 21:24

steviem1 wrote:
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Hey, brushy I've just realized you're buggy back here on the forum under a different guise, let's call a truce, welcome back.
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Its not me its my ass remember. Ah, and Scrapbook Plus works fine but as someone i know has removed my post which pointed the wrong assertion on the add-on page (not fully comp - WONTFIX) i go to bed.

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by mikeysc » 2014-10-15, 21:28

I will try if others help. I'd like at least one person as a backup for when I might be away for awhile. Send them to me by PM for now, one per line (don't expect replies to every PM). Known good = no modifications required, works "out of the box".
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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by Sariel » 2014-10-15, 22:13

I assume we should use a similar format as the Compatibility thread :

Name:
Type: Extension or Theme
Version:
AMO: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon_url (strip locale part from url like the /en-US/ part and put it in a url tag so it isn't truncated)

*Version just to make sure people know which one works in case of updates that break their functionality
*Maybe divide the type categories further into Extensions: Alerts and Updates, Download Management, Feed News and Blogging, Privacy & Security, Search Tools, Web Development and Themes: Modern and Personas/Lightweight

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by sIDcORK » 2014-10-15, 22:23

I've got a fair few add-ons that seem to function as their supposed to and a few to test that I'll write up. Put a link on this thread please, I'll post them tomorrow.

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Re: Can we freely discuss the new Palemoon direction?

Post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2014-10-15, 22:27

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