Can I install both versions?

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Can I install both versions?

Post by JohnnyBob » 2012-03-20, 05:58

Can I install both versions, 3.6.30 and 9.2, or will they interfere?

The reason I'm asking is that I've already installed and tried 3.6.30, now I would like to try 9.2 to see what the differences are. That's the only way for me to decide which one to go with. If I can retain my 3.6.30 installation then I will. Otherwise I'll have to uninstall it first, I guess.

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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by Moonchild » 2012-03-20, 08:51

You can install the portable version of 9.2 to try it out. http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-portable.shtml

Installing the desktop version of 9.2 and switching between both back and forth will lead to issues as your profile (database format, etc.) would be upgraded to 9.2 format the first time you run 9.2, which will cause issues the next time you try to open it again in 3.6.30, and can lead to profile corruption.
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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by JohnnyBob » 2012-03-20, 12:57

Thanks.

I read elsewhere here about your portable 9.2 version and it discusses installation on a flash drive, external drive, or maybe other external devices, but I don't want to use those methods. It doesn't mention installation into an ordinary folder on an internal drive, or maybe I overlooked it [my wee brain is overloaded]. In any case, I don't know if that's possible. Without that info predefined, I'm afraid it might mess with the root of the drive, the registry, etc.

My only prior experience with portable apps is from portableapps.com. I have several of their portable browsers installed, including several portable Firefox versions. They recommend *not* installing into the c:\Program Files system folder, and suggest making a new folder c:\portableapps for that purpose - which is how I do it. Then if I want to get rid of one of their portable apps, I can simply delete its folder and presto, it's gone - clean. Uninstallation is not required. They don't mess with the registry, root of the drive, etc.

Can I do the same with your portable 9.2 app, and does it behave the same as theirs?

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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by Moonchild » 2012-03-20, 13:58

It behaves the same - You click the exe you download of the portable, and it will ask for a folder to extract to (e.g. c:\palemoon-portable ). This can be on a stick or on your hard drive. It makes no difference, as long as it's a writable medium. Removal is similarly easy: simply remove the folder you extracted the portable browser to, and everything is gone.
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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by JohnnyBob » 2012-03-20, 15:09

Ok, so I went to the portable page but I can't figure it out. There's a lot of verbiage but nothing is clearly labeled/named as the portable download link. What exactly is the portable 9.2 download link? Thanks.

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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by satrow » 2012-03-20, 16:27

Portable download page: http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-portable.shtml

If you prefer ignoring the instructions given there, scroll down the page until you see the Download section:
Download links:
IMPORTANT: You are NOT allowed to redistribute the portable if you have made ANY changes to the archive! You are ONLY allowed to redistribute the binary package if it's completely unaltered! For any other redistribution, e.g. with added extensions, languages, plugins, tools, etc., you MUST get permission beforehand. Full details in the redistribution policy.

9.2:
9.2
updates the main browser in the package to version 9.2. As with previous versions this one has been compacted to take as little space on your stick as possible. Full details for the included browser can be found in the release notes of 9.2. File size is approximately 14 MB (EXE):

Sity hosting (direct link)
GE.TT (direct link)
Pale Moon mirror (direct link)
Download Crew
Freeware files
Softpedia


SHA-1: d16b9c3e2f6be7a6bffec7ad718fcfa8ba57b38b
PGP Signature: [Sig]

9.2-x64: 64-bit version of the launcher and browser for x64 Windows. Keep in mind that the same restrictions apply to this as to the desktop 64-bit version with regard to availability of media plug-ins, etc.
Due to limitations of available executable code packers, this version will need more space on your stick than the 32-bit portable version.
File size is approximately 14 MB (EXE):

Sity hosting
GE.TT
Pale Moon mirror


SHA-1: 2009416b20f7679a2332694e750724385244180a
PGP Signature: [Sig]

3.6.30:
3.6.30
incorporates an update of the main browser in it to the same version. Full details about the included browser can be found in the release notes. As with previous versions this one has been compacted to take as little space on your stick as possible. File size is approximately 10 MB (EXE):

Sity hosting (direct link)
GE.TT (direct link)
Pale Moon mirror (direct link)
Download Crew
Freeware files


SHA-1: 41090dc89f76f662856a1d1d3e6d6aaf69a80a49
PGP Signature: [Sig]

Please go to the main page if you are looking for a standard (desktop/laptop/netbook) version.
There are 3 sections, 9.2, 9.2x64 and 3.6.30, each section has a choice of download sites. I've enabled the top download site link in the quote above so it stands out for you.

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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by Moonchild » 2012-03-20, 17:54

"Al lot of verbiage" :D

I know a lot of Windows users by now have been weened on Fischer Price interfaces and large "press here" buttons, but seriously, the links are underlined and in a different color, with proper headings... what's there not to figure out?
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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by JohnnyBob » 2012-03-20, 19:00

Moonchild wrote:"Al lot of verbiage" :D

I know a lot of Windows users by now have been weened on Fischer Price interfaces and large "press here" buttons, but seriously, the links are underlined and in a different color, with proper headings... what's there not to figure out?
I let that one slip thru, betraying my grammarian nature. I believe in explicity, avoidance of ambiguity, simplicity, economy, and super-clarity of expression. It's not as easy as it seems. Hemingway had to do many many rewrites. :)

The only mention of portable is at the top of that long page. By the time I scroll down aways, it's no longer visible, and I've already forgotten what I saw before. Then it only says 9.2:, and explains that it updates former versions, etc. That sounds like a regular version, not a portable one. There would be no confusion if the bold header right above the list of download links said 9.2_portable, i.e. if that title was not abbreviated/shortened as "9.2".

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Re: Can I install both versions?

Post by Moonchild » 2012-03-21, 01:40

I'm sorry to hear they you have no short term memory and that you so easily forget what page you surfed to 8-)

I've made a mental note, and I may do something about this in one go when I mangle the site for the new release this week.
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