Pale Moon's x64 logo

[zants]

The red x64 at the corner of the logo is very unappealing. Would you consider not including that text on the logo in future releases?

[Moonchild]

I would consider it if there is a clear and immediately recognizable alternative that is more appealing to the largest percentage of users and that distinguishes the two versions.
Something that can also be spotted in small icon sizes.

Simply removing the x64 indicator is not an option.

[jaycelou]

How do you distinguish between the 32-bit and 64-bit version if the indicator removed? Perhaps, the logo might just have to redesign to make it look more 'beautiful'

[seronx]

How about a red moon instead of a blue moon

Both in the real world can be achieved by red and blue particles scattering and allowing that one color to be shown off and since that x64 logo is red why not make the moon red

A blue moon -> 32bit
A red moon -> 64bit

Easy to spot and easy to distinguish(or is that the same thing, lol)

Far into the future:
And you might have to go for a Gold moon for ARM 32bit and a Brown moon for ARM 64bit
(Just incase because Windows 8 is going to support ARM)

[Herman Strange]

And perhaps a green one for Portable?

[Moonchild]

And perhaps a green one for Portable?

What about the portable x64 then?
You'll get all colors of the rainbow -- I'd like to avoid that.

BTW: the red icon is already used internally for pre-release/early betas

[seronx]

What about the portable x64 then?
You'll get all colors of the rainbow -- I'd like to avoid that.

BTW: the red icon is already used internally for pre-release/early betas

Darn this is going to be hard...

(I'll edit this post once I'll figure something else or if someone posts after me I'll probably post something)

[jake4]

I don't think this has to be difficult. Use your normal icon/logo and add a 64-bit "badge" to it.

The attached "Firefox 64-bit" logo gives the general idea. Of course, having a blue "badge" over the blue area of the logo does not really help my case. But you can play with contrasting colors and location of the badge and I think you will quickly come up with something that works.

firefox4_64bit.jpg

[Moonchild]

Well, it's not a "route 64" browser
Also, scale that proposed logo down - very quickly becomes unclear what it is.
Preferably, it should remain clear down to 32x32 size -- this is why a simple text overlay in a contrasting color was picked.

[jake4]

Yes, I was laughing about the Route 64 as well.

I am not sure that it has to be readable at 32x32, just that it is clearly different. After all, can you really tell that the moon is a moon at 32x32 or just that it is a circle and you let your mind fill in the details about it being a moon,

For a better implementation of a "badge", take a look at how Apple has used them on the iPhone. These are readable even at a very small scale.

iPhone_Badge.jpg

Also consider the newer PDF icons. They are a document page with a rectangle overlay in a highly contrasting color. They have the letters PDF, but, frankly, at 32x32, I do not think the letters are very readable; just recognizable. At 16x16, the PDF text really becomes unreadable.

pdficon_large.png

pdficon_small.png

In all of the (better) examples I could find, the badge/overlay uses a very clean-edged, highly contrasting background color to ensure that as the image is scaled down, details are not lost and that the message text (e.g., 1, PDF) does not fade into the underlying image. At the end-of the day, I think this is why the current image does not work that well (sorry, just being honest). At the smaller scale, the x64 on the Pale Moon icon becomes so thin that it nearly lost from sight and without a solid background to set it off from the rest of the image, you forget that it is there.

You are obviously putting a lot of thought into this, so I am sure you will come up with a very workable icon. Thank you for taking the time to consider my input. And a real BIG thank you for making Pale Moon available to us all.

[mapleleaf]

I would consider it if there is a clear and immediately recognizable alternative that is more appealing to the largest percentage of users and that distinguishes the two versions.
Something that can also be spotted in small icon sizes.

Simply removing the x64 indicator is not an option.

Ok, here is a newbie that in the first place is impressed with Pale Moon and IF allowed may I make the following suggestion(s):

1. for 32-bit


2. for 64-bit


3. for beta version

[megaman]

Beta is a red moon, so we can see the difference.
Maybe a red moon with X32 and X64 to separate them?

[Moonchild]

I've already changed the icon for 64-bit in 9.2 I'll use the same without any overlay for the next 32-bit version.

Not a fan of slapping numbers right over the middle of the image, though...

I could easily make the red moons myself for beta, it's just a hue shift, and the "64" tag would remain contrasting in that case too - so I don't think any more work is really needed but if you can come up with something that might possibly be more striking, I'm open to suggestions.
Also, if you want to use an image to start off with for an icon, better use the following and not the one with the dropshadow (I want to move away from that in the icon, it muddles things up a little and doesn't look good on all backgrounds)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1466747/palemoon-256.png

[jake4]

I would again suggest that unless you have a solid background that highly contrasts the blue of the moon and the color of the text (the 64-bit indication), the 64-bit indication will be lost as the image is scaled down to an icon size of 32x32. If 16x16 icons are considered, although the text may not be readable, the solid background will provide enough of a visual clue to convey the difference between the 32-bit icon.

[Moonchild]

Jake, have you even checked the new icon yet ?
here, a png of it:

palemoon-x64.png

[jake4]

D'oh ... erh ... yes, yes, now that you mention it. I have seen that new icon.

Looks better and is certainly more identifiable. Although the white numbers and the pale-red still seem to bleed into one another at the smaller scale.

I will risk confirming your suspicion that I have no idea of what I am talking about and make one more suggestion...

Assuming you are simply scaling down a larger size icon to get the smaller one, perhaps you can start with a darker red? (edit: use the red you want on the larger sizes, just darken the red before resizing the copy of the larger image to the smaller size)

Thank you again for considering our suggestions and making Pale Moon available.

[Moonchild]

It has sufficient contrast to remain discernable at 32x32 in the icon file. So I see no reason to darken it. maybe your rescaling method blurs it too much.

[alan9182]

I suggest large clear distinction for those with less than 20:20 vision.

I suggest the existing Blue icon could be a default, but provide a few alternative colors for the user to choose for each browser profile.

I am using desktop shortcuts for :-
Old established Portable Palemoon x86 v8.0 upgraded to v9.2 with a lot of Addons ;
Brand New Portable Palemoon x86 v9.2 to which I am adding Addons I like ;
Brand New Portable Palemoon x64 v9.2 to which I am adding Addons I like.
I envisage adding another profile to one of these installations for use by my daughter - till now she has used non-portable Firefox.

I NEED to wear my glasses to read the name of a shortcut,
and in addition I have to lean close to the screen to see that the tiny red blob says 64.

[Moonchild]

The distinction is simple: 64-bit has a red tag, 32-bit does not
If you want different icons for your own separate installations, you can always change the icon displayed on your desktop by going to properties of the shortcut and picking whatever icon you prefer in properties.

[alan9182]

I am happy to use properties and select an alternative icon.

Unfortunately nothing appears suitable in %SystemRoot%\system32\SHELL32.dll,
and the only alternatives you currently provide are
a + in a box,
and what reminds me of two crossed swords after a Scottish Sword Dance
Alternative color moons would be nice

Regards
Alan