Norton Toolbar Add-On

[Amcit]

Firefox and Norton were constantly having problems showing the Norton Toolbar. Does Pale Moon have the Norton Toolbar as an add-on? If not, do you plan on having it? When?

[Night Wing]

A few years back, Norton (Symantec) always classified updates to the Pale Moon browser as a "heuristic virus" so I don't think Moonchild will be making any exceptions (coding) for allowing the Norton Toolbar into his browser.

[Amcit]

That is a shame, but they could always develop a new toolbar like the Norton Toolbar .... strictly for Pale Moon.
Thanks for such a prompt answer.

[Blacklab]

@Amcit: Welcome to the forum! I run Norton NIS 21.0.1.3 on one machine with both Pale Moon 24.0.2 and Firefox 24.0 installed. In Firefox's Add-ons Manager (Extentions tab) Norton offers two Add-ons: Norton Toolbar 2014.5.1.6 & Norton Vulnerability Protection 12.0.0.380 - 1. However neither of these extensions appear in the Pale Moon Add-ons Manager - no doubt due to Norton not recognizing Pale Moon's necessarily different profile path.

Personally I do not use the Norton Toolbar and consider the Norton Vulnerability Protection (NVP) to be an unnecessary duplication of the Mozilla "Safebrowsing" system used by default in both Pale Moon and Firefox. Norton themselves obviously do not consider their Firefox Add-ons to be very important either - as you say "Norton were constantly having problems showing the Norton Toolbar" - by allowing both the Norton Add-ons to become incompatible with the current Release Channel Firefox version over very long periods of time! Not much of a recommendation?

It is possible to locate both Norton Add-ons in their "unpacked" state onboard Norton AV suites - the locations in Norton NIS 21.0.1.3 are:

• C:\ProgramData\Norton\{0C55C096-0F1D-4F28-AAA2-85EF591126E7}\NIS_21.0.1.3\IPSFFPlgn = "unpacked" NVP Add-on folder.
• C:\ProgramData\Norton\{0C55C096-0F1D-4F28-AAA2-85EF591126E7}\NIS_21.0.1.3\coFFPlgn = "unpacked" Norton Toolbar folder.

(NOTE: ProgramData is a hidden folder - ensure "show hidden files and folders" selected in Control Panel > Folder Options)

You can "make your own" standalone ".xpi file" versions of both these Add-ons - iaw instructions here. Regrettably although both will then install normally in Pale Moon the Norton Toolbar does not populate fully as it obviously needs the profile path adjusted, and possibly a lot more besides, to integrate and run correctly. AFAICS the Norton Vulnerability Protection (NVP) Add-on does load correctly but as I have yet to see it "in action" in Firefox, I can't be certain that it is working properly in Pale Moon either!

BTW - Moonchild is the developer of two Add-ons that are specific to Pale Moon (Pale Moon Commander & Pale Moon Tab Groups). All other Add-ons are the sole responsibility of their particular developers - Norton (Symantec) in this case - who are consequently the only people who could possibly answer your questions "Does Pale Moon have the Norton Toolbar as an add-on? If not, do you plan on having it? When?" posed above.

[Snappy Phoenix]

I've asked this question a few months back and ended up just forgetting about them there's no way you can have them in Pale Moon

[Amcit]

Thanks. Another program bites the dust of history.

[Moonchild]

Thanks. Another program bites the dust of history.

It's not like Symantec is able to update their software anyway, since all they can do is band-aid things.
Why? because Symantec is in the business of acquiring existing software created by others, rebranding it and aggressively marketing it. Then milking it until it becomes totally incompatible because it doesn't evolve, and then dropping it.

Prime example: Norton Firewall. Acquired from WRQ (previously called AtGuard), with a minimal update to make logging work. Letting it run its course but when Vista came out with a different networking back-end, it wasn't updated, just dropped.

Another example: Norton Antivirus has had a terribly broken heuristics engine for many years now, and it doesn't get fixed - instead, software developers are approached to upload binaries to them before they are published to get specific binaries put on an ever growing "whitelist" of exceptions, that would otherwise trigger false positives in their broken engine. Why? because the AV engine was, again, "acquired" from another party (I forget which one off-hand, but I researched it a long time ago)

You are better off dropping Symantec/Norton software altogether, and get software from other vendors who actually developed their own products and can maintain it. It's a far cry from when Peter Norton was the driving force behind it.

(unfortunately AVG is going the Symantec route as well now, so caution about anything branded with the AVG logo; it may have a very short shelf life)

[Snappy Phoenix]

Thanks. Another program bites the dust of history.

It's not like Symantec is able to update their software anyway, since all they can do is band-aid things.
Why? because Symantec is in the business of acquiring existing software created by others, rebranding it and aggressively marketing it. Then milking it until it becomes totally incompatible because it doesn't evolve, and then dropping it.

Prime example: Norton Firewall. Acquired from WRQ (previously called AtGuard), with a minimal update to make logging work. Letting it run its course but when Vista came out with a different networking back-end, it wasn't updated, just dropped.

Another example: Norton Antivirus has had a terribly broken heuristics engine for many years now, and it doesn't get fixed - instead, software developers are approached to upload binaries to them before they are published to get specific binaries put on an ever growing "whitelist" of exceptions, that would otherwise trigger false positives in their broken engine. Why? because the AV engine was, again, "acquired" from another party (I forget which one off-hand, but I researched it a long time ago)

You are better off dropping Symantec/Norton software altogether, and get software from other vendors who actually developed their own products and can maintain it. It's a far cry from when Peter Norton was the driving force behind it.

(unfortunately AVG is going the Symantec route as well now, so caution about anything branded with the AVG logo; it may have a very short shelf life)

QFT