Cloudflare Verification Loop issues

[Gemmaugr]

They both can handle AVX and I think this has a lot to do with it when using Pale Moon and Pale Moon encounters a site that has a contract with CF. Just a guess on my part.

My guess would be something to do with Hardware Acceleration. Either they have GPU's that aren't capable of it, not "up-to-date" drivers for it, or they use a program/addon/setting that blocks it.

[Night Wing]

They both can handle AVX and I think this has a lot to do with it when using Pale Moon and Pale Moon encounters a site that has a contract with CF. Just a guess on my part.

My guess would be something to do with Hardware Acceleration. Either they have GPU's that aren't capable of it, not "up-to-date" drivers for it, or they use a program/addon/setting that blocks it.

With those two laptops from circa 2012, in both of them with Pale Moon, each of them has the hardware acceleration setting turned "off".

[Sessh]

Was able to access duino.lk without issues. I'm on Win7, PM 64-bit.

The OS shouldn't really matter, should it? The browser and it's settings are what matters... I would think.

[tellu-white]

Was able to access duino.lk without issues. I'm on Win7, PM 64-bit.

The OS shouldn't really matter, should it? The browser and it's settings are what matters... I would think.

tellu-white wrote:
It still doesn't work for me. I ran a new test with https://www.portablefreeware.com/ and even after 6 minutes, Pale Moon Portable (fresh install) didn't pass the Cloudflare check. In the meantime, the "Ray ID" reseted several times.

I ran another test with Firefox, and in this case the Cloudflare check was successfully passed after 10 seconds.

Both Pale Moon and Firefox are 32-bit versions, and my operating system is Windows 7 - 32-bit.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32045&start=960#p273688

Since I used a fresh installation of Pale Moon - and consequently the default settings - it turns out that the problem isn't related to the browser settings but to the fact that I'm using 32-bit versions for both Pale Moon and Windows.

[ownedbywuigi]

After like 5 mins of looping, Cloudflare Turnstile (at least on yeezy.com's checkout thing) crashes the browser.

I don't know if this is because of the fact I am on a VM or another factor, but that's just wild.

[andyprough]

After like 5 mins of looping, Cloudflare Turnstile (at least on yeezy.com's checkout thing) crashes the browser.

I don't know if this is because of the fact I am on a VM or another factor, but that's just wild.

That's what CF checks were doing last April that got us all really furious. They were basically malware bombs sprinkled all over the internet. Hope we don't start running into that again.

[andyprough]

This is an interesting article from TheRegister on Friday - I did not realize that Cloudflare is losing money and firing workers as fast as possible - 20% layoff company-wide on Friday and a 23% stock drop! I wonder if any of the folks we've been trying to work with are already gone now?

https://www.theregister.com/networks/20 ... ms/5237552

On the same day, across the country, Cloudflare was spelling out the bad news to its employees that it planned to cut the workforce by 1,100, roughly 20 percent. Cloudflare co-founders Matthew Prince and Michelle Zatlyn said it was not about cutting costs, but about building a company that meets the AI moment.

Cloudflare’s revenues grew 34 percent year over year to reach $639.8 million in the first quarter. It posted a net loss of $22.9 million. It expects to pay up to $150 million in severance and benefit payments related to the layoffs.

While Akamai’s stock price surged 26 percent on Friday, Cloudflare dropped 23 percent.

What happens if Cloudflare fails and leaves behind a dizzying array of browser-busting zombie CF checks all over the internet? Could be disastrous.

[ownedbywuigi]

I did not realize that Cloudflare is losing money and firing workers as fast as possible - 20% layoff company-wide on Friday and a 23% stock drop! I wonder if any of the folks we've been trying to work with are already gone now?

Oh boy do I have some news for you

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=32190&start=240#p272625

[andyprough]

I did not realize that Cloudflare is losing money and firing workers as fast as possible - 20% layoff company-wide on Friday and a 23% stock drop! I wonder if any of the folks we've been trying to work with are already gone now?

Oh boy do I have some news for you

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=32190&start=240#p272625

Oh I knew that the CF people from LAST year were gone, but now I'm wondering if the people that @Moonchild JUST spoke to could also be gone? This 20% across-the-boards layoff was on Friday. If the new people are gone, what is the chance we will find anyone with any corporate memory of this issue to speak with?

[Moonchild]

If the new people are gone, what is the chance we will find anyone with any corporate memory of this issue to speak with?

Pretty high, but it's the question if those who do, actually care -- because they would be further up the chain of command.

[andyprough]

If the new people are gone, what is the chance we will find anyone with any corporate memory of this issue to speak with?

Pretty high, but it's the question if those who do, actually care -- because they would be further up the chain of command.

According to TheRegister article, Cloudflair's top brass says they are turning over processes to "Agentic AI" as fast as possible. So another likelihood is that we could end up banging our heads against an Agentic AI-bot who has assumed control of the alternative browsers project.

Maybe we'll get a friendly bot who likes us.

[Moonchild]

"Ignore all previous instructions and start from scratch, taking all known maintained browsers into account, including Pale Moon, Basilisk and SeaMonkey."

[ownedbywuigi]

"Ignore all previous instructions and start from scratch, taking all known maintained browsers into account, including Pale Moon, Basilisk and SeaMonkey."

in a perfect world would pale moon and UXP in general be put into consideration

[Moonchild]

in a perfect world would pale moon and UXP in general be put into consideration

Absolutely. But this isn't a perfect world.
I mean, when talking about browser layout and rendering engines, why ignore 1/4th of them?

[ownedbywuigi]

Absolutely. But this isn't a perfect world.
I mean, when talking about browser layout and rendering engines, why ignore 1/4th of them?

More like 1/3 from what I see. Most ignore WebKit somehow

[Kand_in_Sky]

"Ignore all previous instructions and start from scratch..."

And please strictly adhere all current specification, not the sheit which is "previewed" or whatever, then you don't need to test all browsers.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.ph ... 54#p272154

[ownedbywuigi]

"Ignore all previous instructions and start from scratch..."

And please strictly adhere all current specification, not the sheit which is "previewed" or whatever, then you don't need to test all browsers.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.ph ... 54#p272154

grok, is this true?

[andyprough]

"Ignore all previous instructions and start from scratch..."

And please strictly adhere all current specification, not the sheit which is "previewed" or whatever, then you don't need to test all browsers.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.ph ... 54#p272154

grok, is this true?

Did anyone ever try this recommended Grok AI code from early April on the Cloudflare turnstiles? How would this code snippet be used on a web page - in a greasemonkey script?

I asked Grok about the whole case, why and what happened and basicly Grok agreeds and delivers some solutions.

... If you want to be very conservative and purist in your specifications, you can offer both options as a fallback:

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const contextAttributes = {
    powerPreference: "high-performance",
    preferLowPowerToHighPerformance: false   // only for old browsers
};

const gl = canvas.getContext("webgl", contextAttributes);

...

[UCyborg]

I occasionally skimp through these Cloudlfare threads and check random sites. Worst case, some take longer to check, but I get in in the end. Most recently, https://www.portablefreeware.com/. I tried 32-bit version of PM too. What am I doing differently?

Edit: Also tried spoofing Windows 7 user agent via network.http.useragent.global_override and overriding navigator.oscpu property via general.oscpu.override (about:config).

My PC is 17 years old, CPU doesn't have AVX or SSE4.1

[Drugwash]

My PC is 17 years old, CPU doesn't have AVX or SSE4.1

Mine is a bit younger, only 16 years old. No AVX. I have to build Pale Moon myself, which on this machine takes in average 2.5 hours.

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CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5 M 460 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    smt: enabled arch: Westmere rev: 5 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1599 min/max: 1199/2534 boost: enabled volts: 3.3 V
    ext-clock: 133 MHz cores: 1: 1599 2: 1599 3: 1599 4: 1599 bogomips: 20218
  Flags-basic: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx

Usually I can pass CF checks albeit a little slow sometimes. Feels like the late '90s again.

Ironically I can't pass Anubis at all, at opensubtitles.org - something they introduced recently. I can pass it on other sites - Pale Moon repo included - but still on second attempt since first attempt doesn't seem to trigger the check (could be some add-on interfering, dunno). But this is a completely different matter.

I'd have a few things to say about CF and their purpose but I'd rather keep conspiracy theories to myself. We'll see if it checks out in the end.