Cloudflare Verification Loop issues

[xissuesx]

Patching palemoon for that issue would be great. Cause they didn't create that loop for no reason,
it's not to help people that use alternative browsers, they're last answer's radical:

"If your visitors encounter issues using a major browser besides Internet Explorer, they should upgrade their browser.
You should use an up to date major browser. Old Firefox forks are not supported and expected to have problems."

https://community.cloudflare.com/t/acce ... /764330/11

[flamelord]

Patching palemoon for that issue would be great. Cause they didn't create that loop for no reason,
it's not to help people that use alternative browsers, they're last answer's radical:

"If your visitors encounter issues using a major browser besides Internet Explorer, they should upgrade their browser.
You should use an up to date major browser. Old Firefox forks are not supported and expected to have problems."

https://community.cloudflare.com/t/acce ... /764330/11

Not surprising whatsoever
Cloudflare is given for free to any non-Enterprise user/client so they have huge coverage
They are in bed with Google and Alphabet and other agencies
Now the US wants to pass a law outlawing Open Source software, this is in order to imprison people who use DeepSeek

If you’re on Linux Librewolf might work for you...at least for now.... as for me I’m on Win7 so yeah...

It’s all been going downhill ever since Presto Engine Opera died out in early 2013
I sometimes think the world may have ended in 2012 and now we’re in hell

EDIT: I don’t think PM can do anything to get around this I’m afraid

[andyprough]

A reporter name Liam Proven who writes about FOSS & the Public Cloud for TheRegister.co.uk tech magazine website emailed me last July asking if we could inform him the next time Cloudflare was blocking some specific websites from being accessed using Pale Moon: viewtopic.php?p=253456#p253456

Liam indicated he had a personal interest in the matter, as he also uses some non-traditional browsers. If we have a list of specific websites that we know are being blocked by Cloudflare right now we can email them to Liam at liam[dot]proven[at]sitpub[dot]com. If anyone here emails Liam, you can reference an email exchange I (Andy Prough) had with him on July 17, 2024, subject line "Re: Cloudflare blocking Pale Moon and similar browsers from accessing websites". Or post a list of the websites that are known to be blocked here in this thread and I'll email him about them.

[suzyne]

Now the US wants to pass a law outlawing Open Source software

I did some searches and either didn't understand what I read or couldn't find references to Bills about this. Are there recent links that explain this intention of the USA?

[flamelord]

Now the US wants to pass a law outlawing Open Source software

I did some searches and either didn't understand what I read or couldn't find references to Bills about this. Are there recent links that explain this intention of the USA?

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[flamelord]

Btw my outdated Chropera(you need to have latest Windows to use latest Chropera) works just fine with Cloudflare so CF is full of shit.
Palemoon is definitely way more up-to-date.

[xissuesx]

This used to help but not anymore:

Code: Select all

// ==UserScript==
// @name        CloudFlare cookie remover.
// @description Remove cloud flare tracking cookie from websites.
// @include     http://*
// @include     https://*
// @version     0.2
// @grant       none
// ==/UserScript==
var cookies = ["__cfduid", "_ga", "__utma", "__utmb", "__utmc", "__utmz"];

function del_cookie(name)
{
    document.cookie = name + '=; expires=Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:01 GMT;';
}
(function ()
{
    window.setTimeout(function ()
    {
        for (i = 0; i < cookies.length; i++)
        {
            del_cookie(cookies[i]);
        }
    }, 1000);
}).call(this);

[Moonchild]

There's a reason I stopped using them for my purposes overall.
They were a very valuable service before all this "too big to care" attitude started having them focus mainly on the big fish and forgetting about the smaller projects like Pale Moon that got them where they are now. At the moment their presence causes a few negative things on the Internet:

• Countless malware, phishing and other criminal sites hiding behind their proxies
• Centralization of core internet technologies (including DNS) that by design should be decentralized
• "Walled garden" tendencies under the guise of providing "protection" for website owners <-- this is the problem in this topic
• Many chicken-and-egg problems by controlling such a large chunk of overall traffic
• Devaluation of SSL and encryption by holding and controlling many certificates
• The very real threat of surveillance and data disclosure by breaking end-to-end security by design
• Network segmentation at the backbone level

I get that the convenience of them is still there, especially with the constant onslaught of bot and scraper traffic that I constantly have to battle at the moment which really makes me wish I had the resources to use a paid CDN/endpoint security solution for the project (but it's just too expensive), and I'm not blaming all the small fish on the free tier that may not have the knowledge to keep exposed servers safe without them being DoSed or breached, but ultimately they are the product.

[back2themoon]

This used to help but not anymore.

No point in trying to fight it this way. It's been said a million times the source of the issue is Cloudflare and the solution can and should only be provided by them.

[flamelord]

This used to help but not anymore.

No point in trying to fight it this way. It's been said a million times the source of the issue is Cloudflare and the solution can and should only be provided by them.

This is naive thinking. Cloudflare caused the problem themselves and they don’t want to fix it. They are the aggressor.
This is like being in the middle of a war and saying ’’the enemy shouldn’t kill us, they should save us’’

It’s very obvious they want to monopolize the internet like Google Chrome did.
They are there to make Google even more of a monopoly and they most likely have ties to US Government, NSA, FBI, CIA etc.

The only way to fight back is fight fire vs fire.

[back2themoon]

The only way to fight back is fight fire vs fire.

That fire against Cloudflare being a non-working userscript that bypasses the issue, doing nothing to solve it.

Next time, pay more attention to what you are quoting. And read.

[Moonchild]

It's a frustrating situation, but please let's keep calm and keep speculation of conspiracies to a minimum, alright?

[xissuesx]

I trust moonchild & friends to try his best to free us from their imprisonment, they're clearly trying to make us leave palemoon.
i'll never follow that attitude. who cares about google, google's been abusing users since 15 years ago or more by injecting
bots like captchas for changing search strings in a human way in order to obtain the required results, & have been blocking ips
after 3 to 4 changes at times .. . they're assumptive weirdos seeing bot everywhere. & in the last 5 years or more, they drastically
reduced the right for many sites to appear in their searches, who cares about google in 2025 ??? use yandex search & you'll
realize that many websites are hidden from us. & i won't follow controlfreaks clouflare to dump years & decades of customization
on a web browser because the market suggests to follow microsoft's a$$ or google's one .. . Have 2 gmail addresses & because you
use an email client & verify a second address on the web browser, u'll be asked to provide ur phone number each time you verify
the settings of one of ur accounts to provide a code.. & in 2025, if you don't provide the phone number, there are chances,
you have no other way to login & they force you to change your password .. . cause the question & answers system have been
replaced by creepier ways to get closer to your identity card's infos .. . This is the magic of following google at all levels,
but in a few years from now, ppl with a brain will start running far from their company.

Control freaks need to grow up & mind their own business to ameliorate their own lives in a legitimate way.

[xissuesx]

Suggestion:

If bypassing is too complicated:
An ameliorated version of chrome simulation, better than only using useragent .. .
step by step by imagining what their cloudflare could try to detect..

[andyprough]

Sent an email with the Cloudflare forum link to the reporter from TheRegister.com this afternoon, and to Martin Brinkmann at Ghacks.net.

[back2themoon]

Thanks, andyprough. This will be of help.

[suzyne]

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Not quite a ban on Open Source, but thank you for the information.

[flamelord]

I mean it's not a conspiracy. It's simply the Orwellian world we live in.
It happened with Google Chrome killing browsers(Opera Presto Engine being a notable victim) by not abiding to accomplished web standards... today the web is a bloated mess thanks to Google.
The same is happening now with Cloudflare.

Cloudflare is not gonna give us the solution to the problem that they themselves created. That's nonsensical.

If anyone finds a way to counteract Cloudflare via a patch or something then I'm all ears.
I'm not hopeful about the situation but let's see.

[Gemmaugr]

It appears that the cloudflare issue topic has been locked as of 6 hours ago: https://community.cloudflare.com/t/acce ... /764330/30

I really hope that the feelers Andy put out brings some much needed attention to this reoccurring annoyance due to the myopic cloudflare+google "convenience".

[back2themoon]

Topic locked and issue not solved.

I'll use their "Send feedback" self-help tool on another website, to see if it gets fixed as already occurred with yet another website I tried the same.