Precise jump to a specific forum post not working

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Precise jump to a specific forum post not working

Unread post by Gordon Dry » 2022-09-27, 11:29

Operating system: Windows 10
Browser version: 31.2.0.1
32-bit or 64-bit browser?: 64-bit
Problem URL: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/in ... nt-4100122
Browser theme (if not default): Noia Moon 2.5.0
Installed add-ons: see "troubleshooting information" below
Installed plugins: (about:plugins): none

If possible, please include the output of help->troubleshooting information (as text):
Allgemeine Informationen
------------------------

Name: Pale Moon
Version: 31.2.0.1 (64-bit)
Build ID: 20220803131453
Update-Kanal: release
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/5.2 Firefox/68.0 PaleMoon/31.2.0.1
Betriebssystem: Windows_NT 10.0
Abgesicherter Modus: false

Erweiterungen
-------------

Name: About Add-ons
Version: 31.0
Aktiviert: true
ID: {265666C5-D659-5C5A-8C36-9ADA9B367E5B}

Name: Add-ons Inspector
Version: 1.0.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: {259ccce4-d9cd-4c00-a360-f4adabae498e}

Name: Addon Update Checker for Pale Moon
Version: 2.15
Aktiviert: true
ID: {891f0410-aaa2-11e0-9f1c-0800200c9a66}

Name: Addons Memory Usage - Intika MoD
Version: 12.8
Aktiviert: true
ID: about-addons-memory-pm@securefox.org

Name: Auto Text Link
Version: 1.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: {b3f27d28-3472-485f-9a52-8edb46e684ee}

Name: butWhyMod
Version: 1.7
Aktiviert: true
ID: {c1b77ba2-55b6-40bd-9bd7-9789e466c3fe}

Name: CookieKeeper
Version: 1.9.3.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: cookiekeeper@cookiekeeper.mozdev.org

Name: Copy As Plain Text
Version: 1.2
Aktiviert: true
ID: {400a725d-b074-4b70-bd7a-b91dd71f24e5}

Name: Downloads Window
Version: 0.6.5
Aktiviert: true
ID: {a7213cf2-fa1e-4373-88ff-255d0abd3020}

Name: Encrypted Web
Version: 5.1.5
Aktiviert: true
ID: {4bf973fe-f2b7-43e1-b2ca-52f9c6f6fddf}

Name: Extended Statusbar
Version: 2.1.2
Aktiviert: true
ID: {daf44bf7-a45e-4450-979c-91cf07434c3d}

Name: FormDraft
Version: 1.3
Aktiviert: true
ID: formdraft@noob.software

Name: FoxyProxy Standard
Version: 4.6.5
Aktiviert: true
ID: foxyproxy@eric.h.jung

Name: GeoFlag
Version: 31.0
Aktiviert: true
ID: {76843B06-C8C5-5088-90C5-679EA2F00123}

Name: GetEmAll!
Version: 1.2
Aktiviert: true
ID: {4f45ab64-73d7-4bde-b9e6-0922abe8e11a}

Name: Google Translator for Pale Moon
Version: 2.0.0
Aktiviert: true
ID: {ed31eaf0-5e61-49eb-89b3-808f4697c54e}

Name: Greasemonkey for Pale Moon
Version: 3.31.4
Aktiviert: true
ID: greasemonkeyforpm@janekptacijarabaci

Name: HTML5 Media Tuner
Version: 1.2.5
Aktiviert: true
ID: h5vtuner@Off.JustOff

Name: I don't care about cookies
Version: 3.4.3
Aktiviert: true
ID: jid1-KKzOGWgsW3Ao4Q@jetpack

Name: Master Password+
Version: 1.30.8.2
Aktiviert: true
ID: masterpasswordtimeoutplus@vano

Name: MinimizeToTray revived (MinTrayR)
Version: 1.3.2
Aktiviert: true
ID: mintrayr@tn123.ath.cx

Name: MozArchiver
Version: 2.0.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: mozarchiver@lootyhoof-pm

Name: Neustart Manager
Version: 2.09
Aktiviert: true
ID: restartmanager@chania.gr

Name: Noia Moon Options
Version: 2.1.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: noia-options@addons.palemoon.org

Name: NoSquint
Version: 2.2.2
Aktiviert: true
ID: nosquint@me.ebonjaeger.com

Name: Open With Edge, IE, Chrome, and More
Version: 4.1.0
Aktiviert: true
ID: {ab91ffec-fe2a-440e-99ca-5260e0ea0c06}

Name: Pale Moon Commander
Version: 3.0.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: commander@palemoon.org

Name: Palefill Web Technologies Polyfill
Version: 1.21
Aktiviert: true
ID: palefill@addons.martoks-place.de

Name: Password Backup Tool
Version: 1.4.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: password-backup-tool@Off.JustOff

Name: PMPlayer
Version: 1.7.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: {d952f8dd-f45c-4838-8e21-03c1f916883b}

Name: QuickPasswords
Version: 3.11
Aktiviert: true
ID: QuickPasswords@axelg.com

Name: Sasuga
Version: 2.2.1
Aktiviert: true
ID: sasuga@vannilla.org

Name: Screengrab (fix version)
Version: 0.99.12
Aktiviert: true
ID: {02450914-cdd9-410f-b1da-db004e18c671}

Name: Show MyIP (for Pale Moon)
Version: 1.0
Aktiviert: true
ID: {6D1D11DB-3C6C-4db8-96E4-20F4A1088AAC}

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Aktiviert: true
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Aktiviert: true
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Aktiviert: true
ID: {583c9310-98a6-11eb-a6b6-0800200c9a66}

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Aktiviert: true
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Aktiviert: true
ID: uBlock0@raymondhill.net

Name: YouTube Lazy Load
Version: 1.0.6
Aktiviert: true
ID: youtubelazy@Off.JustOff

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Version: 2.0.3
Aktiviert: false
ID: ca-archive@Off.JustOff

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Version: 1.2.3
Aktiviert: false
ID: greedycache@Off.JustOff

Name: Suspender
Version: 1.0.2
Aktiviert: false
ID: suspender@wolfbeast.com

Grafik
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Allgemeine Merkmale
Compositing: Direct3D 11
GPU-beschleunigte Fenster: 1/1 Direct3D 11 (OMTC)
Asynchrones Wischen und Zoomen: nichts
WebGL-1-Treiber: WSI Info: EGL_VENDOR: Google Inc. (adapter LUID: 000000000000d3a2) EGL_VERSION: 1.4 (ANGLE 2.1.0.) EGL_EXTENSIONS: EGL_EXT_create_context_robustness EGL_ANGLE_d3d_share_handle_client_buffer EGL_ANGLE_surface_d3d_texture_2d_share_handle EGL_ANGLE_query_surface_pointer EGL_ANGLE_window_fixed_size EGL_ANGLE_keyed_mutex EGL_ANGLE_surface_orientation EGL_ANGLE_direct_composition EGL_NV_post_sub_buffer EGL_KHR_create_context EGL_EXT_device_query EGL_KHR_image EGL_KHR_image_base EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2D_image EGL_KHR_gl_texture_cubemap_image EGL_KHR_gl_renderbuffer_image EGL_KHR_get_all_proc_addresses EGL_KHR_stream EGL_KHR_stream_consumer_gltexture EGL_NV_stream_consumer_gltexture_yuv EGL_ANGLE_flexible_surface_compatibility EGL_ANGLE_stream_producer_d3d_texture_nv12 EGL_EXTENSIONS(nullptr): EGL_EXT_client_extensions EGL_EXT_platform_base EGL_EXT_platform_device EGL_ANGLE_platform_angle EGL_ANGLE_platform_angle_d3d EGL_ANGLE_device_creation EGL_ANGLE_device_creation_d3d11 EGL_ANGLE_experimental_present_path EGL_KHR_client_get_all_proc_addresses
WebGL-1-Treiber: Renderer: Google Inc. -- ANGLE (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Direct3D11 vs_5_0 ps_5_0)
WebGL-1-Treiber: Version: OpenGL ES 2.0 (ANGLE 2.1.0.)
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WebGL-2-Treiber: WSI Info: -
WebGL-2-Treiber: Renderer: (no creation error info)
WebGL-2-Treiber: Version: -
WebGL-2-Treiber: Erweiterungen: -
WebGL-2-Erweiterungen: -
H264-Dekodierung durch Hardware: Yes; Using D3D11 API
Audio-Back-End: wasapi
Direct2D: true
DirectWrite: true (10.0.19041.1566)
GPU 1
Aktiv: Ja
Beschreibung: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Herstellerkennung: 0x10de
Gerätekennung: 0x11c0
Treiber-Version: 30.0.14.7381
Treiber-Datum: 7-11-2022
Treiber: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumdx.dll C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumd.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumd.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumd.dll,C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_4a64fe9554d8b327\nvldumd.dll
Subsys-ID: 28721462
RAM: 2048

Weitere Informationen
ClearType-Parameter: Gamma: 2,2 Pixel Structure: BGR ClearType Level: 100 Enhanced Contrast: 200
AzureCanvasAccelerated: 0
AzureCanvasBackend: direct2d 1.1
AzureContentBackend: direct2d 1.1
AzureFallbackCanvasBackend: cairo
ClearType-Parameter: Gamma: 2,2 Pixel Structure: BGR ClearType Level: 100 Enhanced Contrast: 200





Wichtige modifizierte Einstellungen
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browser.cache.compression_level: 1
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browser.cache.disk.max_entry_size: 8192
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browser.search.useDBForOrder: true
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browser.sessionstore.postdata: -1
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browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash: false
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browser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab: false
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browser.tabs.loadInBackground: false
browser.tabs.selectOwnerOnClose: false
browser.tabs.tabClipWidth: 1
browser.tabs.tabMaxWidth: 350
browser.tabs.tabMinWidth: 30
browser.tabs.warnOnClose: false
browser.tabs.warnOnCloseOtherTabs: false
browser.urlbar.decodeURLsOnCopy: true
browser.zoom.siteSpecific: false
dom.audiochannel.audioCompeting: true
dom.audiochannel.audioCompeting.allAgents: true
dom.disable_beforeunload: true
dom.disable_window_move_resize: true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.close: true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.menubar: true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.minimizable: true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.personalbar: true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.titlebar: true
dom.disable_window_open_feature.toolbar: true
dom.disable_window_status_change: true
dom.event.contextmenu.enabled: false
dom.fetch.enabled: false
dom.push.userAgentID: 004e65b80c4d44378ad818cc136927cf
dom.serviceWorkers.idle_extended_timeout: 30000
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general.autoScroll: false
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general.useragent.override.msn.com: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html
general.useragent.override.shz.de: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html
general.useragent.override.studio.youtube.com: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 (Pale Moon)
general.useragent.override.www.imdb.com: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html
general.useragent.override.www.infranken.de: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html
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general.useragent.override.www.welt.de: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html
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network.notify.IPv6: true
network.predictor.cleaned-up: true
network.protocol-handler.expose.magnet: true
places.database.lastMaintenance: 1663850594
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On first sight the correct post position inside the forum thread is jumped to, but then - as elements like signature pics are still loaded - the site view jumps upward or downward and I have to scroll to the position. This happens on every occasion with this forum and others, at least when they use the or simular forum software which in this case is from Invision Community.

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Re: Precise jump to a specific forum post not working

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-09-27, 12:10

This is caused by elements being added to the page increasing page height after the content has already loaded.
To combat this, we'd need some form of so-called "scroll-anchoring" that locks the scroll position to the currently viewable content.
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Re: Precise jump to a specific forum post not working

Unread post by Gordon Dry » 2022-09-27, 14:04

Is this some secrecy? The mainstream browsers just get it and know where to lock to.

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Re: Precise jump to a specific forum post not working

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-09-27, 15:07

Gordon Dry wrote:
2022-09-27, 14:04
Is this some secrecy?
Whut?
Gordon Dry wrote:
2022-09-27, 14:04
The mainstream browsers just get it and know where to lock to.
That's probably because they implemented it (Chrome did it first, resulting in websites now relying on it so they can be lazy about how they implement their on-the-fly loading of images...). More fallout from a mobile-first approach where assets aren't just loaded right away.
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