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Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-08-24, 15:36
by slownet
I don't intend it to come across in an aggressive / hostile type of way. I see it as an issue that needs improvement. I appreciate what the developers do. And sometimes the best efforts fail, but if they are not aware of the issue, they can't fix it.
Maybe I need an adjustment, but I see it as software which takes input. The input should not crash the software, hang the software, nor otherwise cause the software to be unusable. It could give an error message, time out, or reject the input. One could view google with evil intent intending to crash other browsers, but how is this different than having a database where evil people are continually attempting to inject bad input?
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-08-24, 15:38
by Goodydino
JoeyG wrote: ↑2021-08-23, 22:05
Goodydino wrote: ↑2021-08-23, 21:39
... I have found that old TV programs which work fine with YouTube will not load on yewtu.be. Adventure game walkthroughs are fine, however.
I just tried
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6G3nuGSr4Bs , which is an eight-year-old upload of the ancient tv show "The Honeymooners". It worked fine.
Your mileage may vary.
That one did work. Dr. G and Life After People did not work, however.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-08-24, 16:37
by slownet
I saw a new update, 29.4.0.2, release notes don't indicate any major changes, upgraded, and youtube started playing an ad, but then hung the whole browser as previously. After 5-10 minutes, I terminated it. On Invidious, I was able to play an episode of Dr. G and Life After People. Life after People, took a while to start, but it played, I was able to pause, rewind, go forward.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-09-21, 14:20
by slownet
I tried 29.4.1, and nothing seems different in regard to the issue. Youtube starts playing, but has slow to no response as far as pause or forward, and then after about a minute it stops playing, the browser is non-responsive, and must be terminated. I also find a few other websites, such as homedepot.com will also hang the browser and with low CPU usage. Homedepot works until you scroll to the bottom sometimes, then hangs the browser. I've gone off for hours and it was still hung when I got back.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-09-21, 16:36
by New Tobin Paradigm
What's your point?
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-09-22, 13:46
by slownet
User input is causing software to fail.
Are you saying this is a, "won't fix"?
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-09-22, 14:56
by New Tobin Paradigm
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-09-22, 22:59
by slownet
Well, I'm only asking if this is something being worked on, if it might be worked on, or if I should just deal with it.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-11-11, 18:06
by slownet
In case anyone cares, user input still causes software, as of version 29.4.2.1, to hang.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-12-29, 15:24
by slownet
Still happens in version 29.4.3. I created a new profile, went to youtube, clicked on a video, an advertisement started playing, then hung for a short while, it came back, then hung requiring termination of the browser. Some other sites experience similar issues. Perhaps once the problem can be determined a check could be made canceling the request.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2021-12-30, 00:29
by moonbat
Youtube works great with a properly configured adblocker and
this userscript that will require
the Greasemonkey fork.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-01-24, 17:08
by slownet
Okay, I managed to get Greasemonkey and Youtube polymer engine fixes installed for 29.4.4. Still hanged. But I had tried it on a new profile, so no adblocker. Which adblocker did you have in mind and how does one properly configure it? More importantly is there some specific ad on youtube causing the issue or just block everything?
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-01-24, 23:35
by moonbat
You can use any adblocker you want - all of them rely on rules and filters. One thing that works is to blacklist the entire doubleclick.net domain. Don't allow any requests or scripts from it or its subdomains and that cleans up most of Youtube (and other sites as well).
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-02-10, 17:41
by slownet
Okay, I tried several things. I installed a new operating system, a fresh download of palemoon tarball, installed umatrix, greasemonkey, and youtube polymer. Still hangs. It starts to play for awhile, but then hangs. So something I'm not understanding here.
Could it be my computer? My graphics card? The Linux kernel update had a problem with older ATI graphics cards and I had to revert back a kernel version until they fixed it.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-02-11, 02:28
by moonbat
Create a separate fresh profile exclusively for testing broken websites. That way you can immediately figure out whether it's a problem with your settings/extensions or something with the browser/OS. Just launch the testing profile from about:profiles in a new window and you can quickly verify.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-02-11, 22:06
by Blacklab
A couple of Howtos on starting a 'fresh profile' and most things Re: Profile Manager:
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-02-11, 22:36
by andyprough
slownet wrote: ↑2022-02-10, 17:41
Okay, I tried several things. I installed a new operating system, a fresh download of palemoon tarball, installed umatrix, greasemonkey, and youtube polymer. Still hangs. It starts to play for awhile, but then hangs. So something I'm not understanding here.
Could it be my computer? My graphics card? The Linux kernel update had a problem with older ATI graphics cards and I had to revert back a kernel version until they fixed it.
Did you try uBlock or ABPrime or the Adblock Latitude adblocker on the Palemoon extensions Privacy & Security page? I'd try one of those first before trying uMatrix. If you don't have a lot of experience with it, uMatrix can allow you to get yourself into even more trouble. uBlock has been my favorite adblocker for years, and ABPrime is very good. I haven't tried Adblock Latitude, but I'm assuming it uses the same filter lists and does a good job as well.
The way that your youtube plays for awhile and then hangs sounds like an advertising problem to me. I've seen that behavior on browsers that weren't running uBlock in the past. There's supposed to be an ad playing at that spot when it hangs, but something you are doing with the system doesn't allow the ad to load, so it just sits there. With uBlock, the videos just play seamlessly, not waiting for an ad. Should be the same with ABPrime and Adblock.
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-02-12, 08:36
by moonbat
Hope you're all using
eMatrix, not uMatrix (which has been discontinued long ago)
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-02-25, 17:52
by 4td8s
moonbat wrote: ↑2022-02-12, 08:36
Hope you're all using
eMatrix, not uMatrix (which has been discontinued long ago)
yup, especially the latest version of eMatrix
need to update the version of ematrix on my end since I still have one of the 4.4.x versions
Re: Youtube vs. slow network connections on Pale Moon
Posted: 2022-03-23, 00:02
by slownet
I look at my addons and it says last updated 02/04/2022. (don't know what that means) I look at the github and last release was July of last year. I was trying a different browser so I could watch youtube, and it came with uBlock. It seems more complicated, but I was trying to make it work. From what I'm hearing, maybe I should continue with it and try it with Pale Moon. So block even scripts from youtube? I also note that several people had issues with v30 with youtube ads.