PM pages scroll slowly/freeze since 28.13.0

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-09-30, 23:30

It seems to have started with the previous version (28.13.0). CPU usage goes to ~50% and stays there for a minute or so. I tried safe mode (didn't help) and a new profile (only a few pages were open, but still had lag when scrolling).

In the list above, I notice the WebGL 2 Driver Renderer shows some errors:

WebGL 2 Driver Renderer: WebGL creation failed: * Error during ANGLE OpenGL init. * Error during ANGLE OpenGL init. * Error during ANGLE OpenGL init. * Error during ANGLE OpenGL init. * Error during ANGLE OpenGL init. * Exhausted GL driver caps.

Could that be the problem?

Thanks.

Operating system: Win7
Browser version: 28.13.0, 28.14.0
32-bit or 64-bit?: 32
Problem URL: Various
Theme: Default
Installed extensions: see list above
Installed plugins: (about:plugins) Adobe Flash, Google Earth, VLC

Post by **Moonchild** » 2020-10-01, 07:53

You may want to start by not using an almost 10 year old video driver.
Driver Date: 4-19-2011
I know the ATI HD series has limited support and no brand new drivers (because it's old-old) but I'm pretty sure there are a lot newer drivers out there.

Post by **satrow** » 2020-10-01, 11:23

Windows driver details here: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/relea ... win-legacy

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-08, 21:37

Moonchild wrote: ↑
2020-10-01, 07:53
You may want to start by not using an almost 10 year old video driver.
Driver Date: 4-19-2011
I know the ATI HD series has limited support and no brand new drivers (because it's old-old) but I'm pretty sure there are a lot newer drivers out there.

Apparently not. AMD's latest is from 2013, part of their "Radeon Software Adrenalin Legacy" package, issued in July of this year, which I installed, but it doesn't seem to help. I still have lag and freeze-ups.

It doesn't seem to be a computer issue. I compared PM with three other browsers: Firefox, Vivaldi, and Brave. In each case, I loaded the front page of the NY Times. I have a 2 min 35 sec video that shows the tests, but I don't see any way to post it. It took PM twice as long before I could scroll freely up and down (an orange arrow next to the cursor shows scrolling attempts).

In the first section, PM loads the top of the page and then stops. You can see the scrollbar on the right is all the way at the bottom, and I'm trying to scroll, without success. Finally, at 20 secs, the rest of the page has loaded and I can scroll down. I scroll down again, but at the bottom, I can't scroll upward. This happens several times, and sometimes the page freezes and the cursor skips instead of scrolling smoothly.

Firefox starts at 00:57. It also doesn't load completely right away, but it's a lot faster than PM. In about 10 secs it's loaded, and I can scroll smoothly.

Vivaldi starts at 1:34. It takes about 12 secs to load and scrolls smoothly.

Brave starts at 2:08. It loads the top part of the page immediately and then takes 10-12 secs to load the rest and scrolls smoothly.

I also tried some conventional browser benchmarks, and PM doesn't rate too badly. But in the real world of actual downloads, it lags, literally and figuratively. What are the other browsers doing that PM isn't, and do you have any plans to do it?

Incidentally, it's not the add-ons. I tried it in safe mode, and it didn't help.

Moonraker · Post by **Moonraker** » 2020-11-08, 23:04

Just one site this occurs or is it persistent with several other sites.
Have you any links so i can try myself.?

thanks.
VLC plugin sometimes causes issues.
Have you tried with all extensions disabled etc.

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-08, 23:55

No, it's on many sites. You can try nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, homedepot.com.

I didn't use the VLC plugin. I used BB Flashback Express to record and Avidemux to edit. Also, as I said at the end, I tried it in safe mode (extensions disabled) and it didn't help.

ron_1 · Post by **ron_1** » 2020-11-09, 02:42

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-08, 23:55
No, it's on many sites. You can try nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, homedepot.com.

Well, for Home Depot, it doesn't work well in Pale Moon because of crappy coding:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22531

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-09, 02:57

Doesn't seem to be a problem for the other three.

ron_1 · Post by **ron_1** » 2020-11-09, 03:06

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-09, 02:57
Doesn't seem to be a problem for the other three.

So? It's still bad coding. You can thank Gooble for this mess.

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-09, 03:36

This would mean the NYT and WaPo are badly coded too. I'm not a perfectionist about coding--I just want the browser to work. It doesn't look like you're one of the developers, and I really don't want to go back and forth about this.

MC, could you give us an idea whether any improvement is in the works? If PM is going to stand on principle and say no site will load promptly unless it's perfectly coded, I'll have to go with another browser, because the lag and freezeups are intolerable.

badnick · Post by **badnick** » 2020-11-09, 05:09

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-08, 23:55
No, it's on many sites. You can try nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, homedepot.com.

The NyT and WaPo works fine here. The only Page I have lag (progressive lag) is the damned Facebook. (Btw, I would be very grateful to anyone who would find a solution for this)

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-09, 05:17

So if it's a computer problem, why does it happen with PM and not other browsers?

Al6bus · Post by **Al6bus** » 2020-11-09, 05:28

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-08, 21:37
AMD's latest is from 2013, part of their "Radeon Software Adrenalin Legacy" package, issued in July of this year, which I installed, but it doesn't seem to help. I still have lag and freeze-ups.

You mean AMD Catalyst 13.9 https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics ... adeon-3200 ?

You may use AMD Cleanup Utility before install new drivers
https://www.amd.com/ru/support/kb/faq/gpu-601

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-09, 05:57

No, I mean Radeon Software Adrenalin Legacy, which apparently has the same driver. https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software. And I hardly think I need to remove every AMD driver, including "display and audio drivers as well as AMD software components," just to replace a graphics driver. Never needed to do it before and not gonna do it now.

I'd really like to stop haggling over details. Regardless of the driver, the question remains why PM shows this behavior and three other browsers don't.

Al6bus · Post by **Al6bus** » 2020-11-09, 06:34

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-09, 05:57
No, I mean Radeon Software Adrenalin Legacy, which apparently has the same driver. https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software.

I wonder! You have too old integrated in motherboard graphics for such epic marketing drivers names

at least try the ones I wrote above

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-09, 07:12

It's the same driver, understand? I already have it installed. If you hover over the Download button on the page you linked to, you'll see the package name, which is the one I have installed: 13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql, from 2013.

Please stop. I'm not interested in random guesses. I'd like to hear from one of the developers, preferably MC, as to what might be causing the disparity between PM and the other browsers I tested, and whether anything is planned to eliminate it.

Al6bus · Post by **Al6bus** » 2020-11-09, 07:40

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-09, 07:12
which is the one I have installed: 13-9-legacy_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql, from 2013.

So if you already have installed that please paste your new “troubleshooting information”, not old one

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-09, 07:12
Driver Date: 4-19-2011

rfm12 · Post by **rfm12** » 2020-11-09, 09:08

I didn't paste that--Moonchild did. Just stop. I'm not going to reply to any more of your posts.

Post by **New Tobin Paradigm** » 2020-11-09, 09:11

As a developer I am going to tell you to buy a new computer.

Post by **satrow** » 2020-11-09, 09:16

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-11-09, 09:08
I didn't paste that--Moonchild did. Just stop. I'm not going to reply to any more of your posts.

rfm12 wrote: ↑
2020-09-30, 23:30

Application Basics
SNIP

GPU #1
Active: Yes
Description: ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x9610
Driver Version: 8.850.0.0
Driver Date: 4-19-2011
Drivers: aticfx64 aticfx64 aticfx32 aticfx32 atiumd64 atidxx64 atiumdag atidxx32 atiumdva atiumd6a atitmm64
Subsys ID: 00000000
RAM: 512

SNIP

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