Dictionaries no longer work in 28.11

[prino]

• Changed the way Firefox extensions are displayed in the add-on manager (provide a clear warning).
• Denied other types of add-ons that aren't explicitly targeting Pale Moon's ID. Time to stop using those incompatible Firefox themes etc. and properly fork them!

How do you fork a dictionary?

IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT EXTENSIONS PEOPLE USE!

[Isengrim]

It is the responsibility of the add-on maintainer to keep their add-ons compatible with the browser they were made for. In the case of Firefox extensions, they need to be forked.

Dictionaries for Pale Moon should already be available on the add-ons site under language tools.

[moonbat]

IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT EXTENSIONS PEOPLE USE!

It is not for you to be a rude prick making such demands either. Nobody here is your servant, you don't get to show up out of the blue demanding we cater to you by shouting in all caps.

[gepus]

IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT EXTENSIONS PEOPLE USE!

For the time being you can use whatever extension you want.
All you get is a warning for unmaintained extensions targeting Firefox.

Instead of shouting you should read that warning carefully and make sure you understand what you are reading.

[Pallid Planetoid]

Just curious -- why is it that we all have to presume ALL CAPS translates to specifically "shouting"....
... as opposed to the possibility that the intent of ALL CAPS is simply to apply "emphasis"?

Off-topic:
I ask -- because I do use "all caps" at times and my intention is never to be "shouting" at anyone but rather my sincere attention is always to provide "emphasis" to make sure a specific comment is not missed. There is a stark difference in characterizing a persons comments - "shouting" is aggressive behavior directed at "someone" as opposed to "emphasis" which is to help clarify a point. So for others to assume caps are presumably rude (since we all know shouting is typically thought of as rude behavior) this presumption can be in some cases mis-characterizing the intent of all caps. This has always been a personal "pet peeve" of mine because MY INTENT IS to NEVER be SHOUTING --- you see here I'm NOT (emphasis "not") shouting but rather placing emphasis on the capped words (I find that in the case of more drawn out verbose posts the absence of "emphasis" (what everyone else wants to call "shouting!") can be problematic which my intention is to avoid this problem on the basis that in my case my critical points do not get lost in all the other comments in a more detailed post....

Notice in all the words expressed above there are essentially only 4 words in all caps -- specifically "MY INTENT IS to NEVER be SHOUTING" (w/ caps) -- this intent is to say (select out) "my intent is.. never.. shouting" -- which is the crux to my point but could have certainly been lost (absent the "emphasis" by including all caps .) considering all the other words involved in a more verbose post (which I've done here for "emphasis" as well).

My interpretation (as always) is that the utilization of all caps by the OP in this case is for "emphasis" (the "OP" caps is for another purpose since it's tech term using only two characters that need caps in my view - which is something I regularly do for these type references) -- an intent that does not include hostility (that is generally characterized by "shouting at someone") but rather is perhaps a far less innocuous intent --- if we can consider the possibility the all caps intent is merely to imply "emphasis" as opposed to the commonly held presumption that it HAS TO BE "shouting". I've never understood where and why this concept arose regarding the use of all caps which by doing so creates in my view unnecessary animus toward those who use all caps (based on the negative "hostile" connotation the concept of "shouting" creates) when the intent can clearly be far more benign than some might think is the case.

[Tharthan]

Just curious -- why is it that we all have to presume ALL CAPS translates to specifically "shouting"....
... as opposed to the possibility that the intent of ALL CAPS is simply to apply "emphasis"?

Traditional Internet understanding of text typed in all caps is that it represents shouting. I've seen references to that common understanding as far back as IRC guides of the early 1990s. The interpretation may go back further (to BBSes?), I don't know.

[Pallid Planetoid]

Just curious -- why is it that we all have to presume ALL CAPS translates to specifically "shouting"....
... as opposed to the possibility that the intent of ALL CAPS is simply to apply "emphasis"?

Traditional Internet understanding of text typed in all caps is that it represents shouting. I've seen references to that common understanding as far back as IRC guides of the early 1990s. The interpretation may go back further (to BBSes?), I don't know.

Thanks for the feedback -- shows how out-of-touch I am concerning understanding tech. (I've always thought in different terms -- no wonder I get people mad at me some of the time - or maybe I should say a lot of the time )

In regards to whomever sits down and reaches these standards of expression used on the Internet: I would have not wanted to apply this kind of negative connotation to caps in the first place personally - I wonder -- why create an understanding that would do nothing other than to engender animus? It crosses my mind that an "anti-social" connotation is counter to what a "social" application should encourage. (clearly "emphasis" in regards to using caps would have been a better approach it seems to me as being more amenable to the "spirit" of the Internet) But then - what do I know?

[Tharthan]

clearly "emphasis" in regards to using caps would have been a better approach it seems to me as being more amenable to the "spirit" of the Internet

Even back when the understanding came about, you could (and still can) completely capitalise one (or ought I to say "ONE") word, for purposes of emphasis. Even then, some people will (internally) read that in a slightly louder voice than the rest of the text.

But several words? An entire sentence?

No, people are going to interpret it as shouting, as they have since the early days of the Web.

If in doubt, use bold for emphasis (when available).

[SGvagon]

Just right click to any text form and choose Languages - Add dictionary .

Add_disctionary_1.png

Then will open this page http://repository.binaryoutcast.com/dicts/ , where you can install any dictionary. But what I see, Turkish language missing.

[jb_wisemo]

It would be most useful if the "looking for upgrade for incompatible add-on" logic at 28.11 first run would actually find Tobin's replacement dictionaries as relevant updates. I don't know if that requires copying them to the Pale-Moon add-ons site with appropriately munged add-on IDs, or some other trick, but please do it.

As it is, I had to search the forum (whose top posts are clogged by extremely outdated pinned posts), then manually visit that download directory and choose the right one. Looking in about:add-ons, I find that the new dictionary declares itself to be version 1.0.0 and the old one 2.3.1-signed, presumably reflecting the version of the underlying data source and it's Mozilla packaging history.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

That would not be possible because none of the forked dictionaries hold the same add-on ID as the ones off AMO because that would violate the policy of not "hijacking people's browsers" using the Add-ons Update Service. Also, checking for updates to an appDisabled extension cannot be done either.

You just have to accept the fact that add-ons not targeted to the toolkit or the actual application are not compatible. This is one time for non-extension types for now but will eventually also include extensions. It is way past time and that is just how it has to be.

Besides, until they are properly subsumed into the Add-ons Site, they wouldn't get updates in any event.

[coffeebreak]

You just have to accept the fact that add-ons not targeted to the toolkit or the actual application are not compatible. [emphasis added]

Just FYI... The official dictionaries (that apparently target solely toolkit?) show the compatibility warning on their Add-on Manager detail pages (not in the list view). Adding PM's GUID of course removes the warning.
(Reported in the German board.)

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Thanks for reporting it to me. It is most certainly a glitch in the Add-ons Manager (specific to Pale Moon) but a harmless one, tell the Germans that it will be looked into and to otherwise ignore it for the dictionaries on BinOC's server.

[Aube Bleue]

I have now replaced the dictionaries that I use for the ones offered (graciously) by Tobin -- but it appears that the French dictionary has NO NAME. O_o Probably an oversight.

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Anyway, thanks for providing them.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Yeah, that would be an oversight. I'll fix it later and you can grab the new version manually when I post I did it. Also, the issue with toolkit only targeting add-ons has a resolution. Moonchild was kind enough to tinker with it real quick on his vacation time. I'll file a proper issue and land the fix soon too.. Likely around the same time I fix that dict.

The reason I am not doing it instantly as per usual is that my energy levels are fucked right now since I am transitioning back onto keto but I already am past out of steam for today or at least until I sleep more.

EDIT: Please provide the language code/filename for the one that is screwed up.

[Aube Bleue]

EDIT: Please provide the language code/filename for the one that is screwed up.

French/Français: fr-FR. Thanks for the upcoming fix. There's no rush.

[Aube Bleue]

back onto keto

Off-topic:
No more buns on Tobin's burgers. Sucks. But you do what you gotta do. Good luck with that.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Off-topic:
I was on it before from April 2019 till mid-March 2020. I had to go off it because of scared, ignorant, and selfish people panic buying and I couldn't actually get enough (if any) of the foods I can eat to survive. So I had to go off it and buy terrible quality prepackaged processed chemical ridden UTTER SHIT as the bulk of what was actually available.

[coffeebreak]

Yeah, that would be an oversight.

I took a quick look through the dictionaries and saw that Sanskrit also lacked a name.
File name: sa-IN.xpi

Moonchild was kind enough to tinker with it real quick on his vacation time. I'll file a proper issue and land the fix soon too.. Likely around the same time I fix that dict.

Thanks to both of you.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Understood.

Guess kn-yami, who I hope is doing well but I haven't seen for QUITE some time, did make a few errors here and there. Understandable since there were a LOT to process by hand. I should have checked them better but hey, shit happens.