YouTube will stop supporting Pale Moon

[Tharthan]

YT and fb are big sites that loads of people consider essential for their lives.

Unlike Facebook, YouTube actually does serve a more reasonable use. That use was its original one: to host videos to share with others. A bit of a culture built around that, and it was great for a good while. Then, it underwent a transformation into a true "social networking site". It was then that I quit and deleted my account, because it had ceased being productive and helpful. The cons now outweigh the pros.

If someone is actually able to create an environment similar to that again for a video sharing site, they can let me know.

If I recall rightly, even YouTube's maker (the one who had uploaded the first video to the site) was sharing similar sentiments back when I quit. I recall that he posted a profanity-laden rant about how furious he was about the state of things at the time.

[Sessh]

There is a site still in the beta-testing phase that should rival YT, but will also be a Patreon alternative among other things. It's called "thinkspot", but it's not live yet. It should be interesting.

[moonbat]

I detest the whole obsession with video that's overtaken everything else over the last few years, turning the web back into a more interactive version of cable TV. Video by definition is a resource hog - you need way more space and bandwidth to provide a service that can scale to even a fraction of Youtube, so they're not going anywhere. Despite Youtube providing tools for annotation and linking to individual timestamps, most creators just don't bother, so you're left with one giant 10 or 20 minute clip and no way to review specific parts of it the way you can skim through a written article.

Particularly among the younger generation - they would rather sit and watch some guy blathering on and on for 20 minutes about a subject that you could have read about in maybe 3. And videos have become a lazy substitute (not to mention more lucrative for that sweet ad revenue) even for technical instructions like how to root a phone and (believe it or not) how to change Firefox settings in about:config !!

[Tharthan]

I detest the whole obsession with video that's overtaken everything else over the last few years, turning the web back into a more interactive version of cable TV.

I too have observed this drift in the past decade. I personally would prefer to define it as a "less programmed" version of television, oftentimes now.

And that's not always a good thing. Some people can actually utilise programming schedules for this or that television show (or radio programme) for personal benefit. I am one such person.

Despite Youtube providing tools for annotation and linking to individual timestamps, most creators just don't bother, so you're left with one giant 10 or 20 minute clip and no way to review specific parts of it the way you can skim through a written article.

If you are brave enough to navigate the vast moat that is the YouTube comment section, so as to discover actually helpful comments, you can sometimes find that someone who viewed the video before you was kind enough to share timestamps.

[cartel]

I don't know anything about YouTube Studio. Just the regular YouTube with it's new interface. Not the classic inferface.

After reading the comments, I opened up a tab, went to YouTube and YouTube with it's dark theme works for me using the code below. I'm using 64 bit linux Pale Moon (28.8.0).

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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 (Pale Moon)

If I have to be using Windows 7 at the time and I need to go to YouTube with it's interface, I use the code below for 64 bit windows Pale Moon 28.8.0 now.

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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:62.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 (Pale Moon)

Both codes above work for me and this computer I'm typing this post which is 10 years old with a second generation i7 processor, 16 GB of memory with an AMD Radeon HD 6450 graphics card and it has no problem with YouTube's new interface. But remember, I don't use YouTube Studio.

I noticed some sites that if you use a user-agent thats newer than say "Firefox/62.0" it will only load a blank page.
Its getting to a point where 3rd party and relative privacy and ease of use are coming to an end.
They want to spy and push their propaganda on you and make ways that you cant block it.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

As has been stated, we have noticed that the Youtube-test case for so called "WebComponents" namely ShadowDOM and customElements either on their own or in their Polymer v2 form have escaped the GoogleSphere and are making it into frameworks and websites across the web. ShadowDOM and customElements v1 was finalized (theoretically) and enabled in Firefox 62 so that is why some sites are blatantly failing with a gecko/62 UA.This is why we are focusing on these bullshit technologies that were created by retards and broken-by-design so that by the time a significant portion of the web requires them we will have released the 29-milestone.

Of course, proper v0 and v1 polyfills are a thing but fuck that noise man... Why be browser agnostic when you can just code for the monoculture.

Whatev, this thread has already come to its logical conclusion so I won't be posting in it from here on out. I suggest you all taper off as well. As for me, I will just continue my role of pissing people off while simultaneously saving us all. It's kinda my thing!

[rabnbeinn]

No problems here with YouTube.... using Firefox Compatibility Mode with no UA Override.

See post above and response by gepus.

@Rabnbeinn, So as to not confuse people through lack of context...
Did you disable site-specific user agent overrides, or did you forget that Pale Moon has one built-in for YouTube?

Apologies.... I meant I haven't touched the 'built-in' default override setting.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 PaleMoon/28.8.0

[back2themoon]

Try Invidious, an alternative front-end to YouTube. You get the YT content without the Google crap in a fast, ad-free front-end. Dark mode, quality selection (you need to enable Dash in the Preferences to reveal higher quality resolutions, see here for more), view reddit comments instead of YT ones etc. It's quite nice.

We also have BitTubers, Vimeo, Dailymotion and many more options.

* I got this info from the recent 'Give Up Google' issue of the excellent Web User magazine. Pale Moon is also mentioned as an excellent alternative to Chrome. Yeah, I still prefer printed mags. They hail the new Microsoft Edge in their current issue but hey, that's life.

WebUser-December-2019.jpg

[moonbat]

They hail the new Microsoft Edge in their current issue but hey, that's life.

Somebody tell them that Edge now uses Chrome's engine internally. As does every browser that's not built on Gecko or Goanna.

[Night Wing]

Try Invidious, an alternative front-end to YouTube. You get the YT content without the Google crap in a fast, ad-free front-end. Dark mode, quality selection (you need to enable Dash in the Preferences to reveal higher quality resolutions, see here for more), view reddit comments instead of YT ones etc. It's quite nice.

I have never heard of Invidious before. Thanks for the tips on it. I tried it out and it is nice. Love the dark mode too. Makes it easy on my poor eyesight to watch on a 27" external monitor. I put into my Bookmarks and will explore it more in detail later.

[back2themoon]

Off-topic:

Somebody tell them that Edge now uses Chrome's engine internally. As does every browser that's not built on Gecko or Goanna.

They know, of course. Let's not derail the thread.

[THX-1139]

Try Invidious, an alternative front-end to YouTube. You get the YT content without the Google crap in a fast, ad-free front-end. Dark mode, quality selection (you need to enable Dash in the Preferences to reveal higher quality resolutions, see here for more), view reddit comments instead of YT ones etc. It's quite nice.

I have never heard of Invidious before. Thanks for the tips on it. I tried it out and it is nice. Love the dark mode too. Makes it easy on my poor eyesight to watch on a 27" external monitor. I put into my Bookmarks and will explore it more in detail later.

I went and checked it out, very nice imo, "definitely dark mode"
Search for any youtube channel and it's there, I have not tried searching for bitchute or other vid-alt sites like Briteon.com and joshwhotv.com "yet"

Login/register was weird...no need email, just choose any name and password then complete questions/ and some captchas..
just make sure all 3 (I think) questions/captchas are done Then hit the register/login button on the bottom. If you miss one it will give an error page
just go back and finish. And it works superbly in Pale Moon

[vannilla]

Off-topic:
Invidio.us is like Startpage for YouTube.
You are still using the service, but instead of directly accessing it you are using some middleware.
It's certainly better using it than not, and I recommend using it until some dangerous flaw is found, but be aware that it is still YouTube and not some kind of alternative.

[back2themoon]

On their Extensions page, you will find several userscripts that will help you open YT links directly on Invidious, or even bypass YT entirely.

You will first of course need Greasemonkey for Pale Moon (click on greasemonkey-3.31.4-pm_forkBranch.xpi to install) or similar to be able to install userscripts.

[THX-1139]

It even allows one to subscribe/unsubscribe from a YT channel!? (at least when logged in) how twisted is that?/r
Not to mention the possibility of a very large unnamed corp perhaps taking unspecified actions.

[Trapper]

Not to mention the possibility of a very large unnamed corp perhaps taking unspecified actions.

It'll probably last as long as Hooktube did, which wasn't very long.

All it takes is another API upgrade form YT / Google to kill it off (or something similar)... just like they did with Hooktube

[doofy]

Hooktube still works OK.
No, it's not what it was - which IIRC was a genuine yt backdoor - but as an alternative to the yt site, it's just fine.

[Moonraker]

I tried invidious and it looks interesting but the videos do not play.No supported format.

[back2themoon]

You are blocking something. Try Safe Mode.

[Konrad]

One more nice alternative to watch YouTube videos.