New Facebook Login Page

[back2themoon]

Ok, I tried it. What a waste of screen space. Reminded me of the MAME emulator with artwork enabled (see below). Also, on my old CPU it's about 5-10% faster, at most. Predictable and useless 'update'. Dark theme is nice - thanks but no thanks.

[Tharthan]

Just so sick of having this mobile design paradigm being crammed down my throat for the past decade.

Same here. We (PC users) have suddenly fallen into second place (at best) and tend to get the short end of the stick.

The move to Windows 10 is no doubt going to accelerate this, considering how much smartphone-esque stuff is incorporated into Windows 10.

Maybe consumer internet will accelerate into something so unwelcoming for desktop users that we'll finally go back to web 1.0?

I was pretty alright with early Web 2.0, personally.

[back2themoon]

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[moonbat]

Ugh yes. The dumbing down of the net continues. You can still turn off this interface change in the settings menu but only till the end of this month.

[back2themoon]

Perhaps the currently working facebook.com user-agent below will still work in September and beyond (source).

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Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_5) AppleWebKit/603.3.8 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.1.2 Safari/603.3.8

[Billyhook]

No biggie here really, but I just want to be sure that there isn't a sign of an underlying problem.

My login page for Facebook appears with no blue banner at the top, and with larger, perhaps more "mobile-style" buttons. Whereas Firefox still shows the blue banner login page. Is this a rendering issue, or a compatibility issue? Just making sure. I cleared cache and even tried safe mode in both browsers.

At work, it appears that the older-style page still shows.

Really its fantastic change.

[moonbat]

Really its fantastic change.

What's 'fantastic' about gigantic fonts and icons designed for touchscreens forced on desktop users, reducing the amount of information you see so that you have to keep on scrolling like crazy? Even the dark mode that people are orgasming about was something you could get with a greasemonkey script, and they could've implemented it without ruining the desktop UI.

[NorrinRadd]

Just so sick of having this mobile design paradigm being crammed down my throat for the past decade. Fuckin' sick of it.

Do you not have phones?!

Yes. Landline. I despise computer-phones.

I don't want a phone UI on my laptop or desktop.

[NorrinRadd]

Perhaps the currently working facebook.com user-agent below will still work in September and beyond (source).

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Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_5) AppleWebKit/603.3.8 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.1.2 Safari/603.3.8

I'm running PM 28.11.0 with whatever UA string comes "preinstalled," so to speak. It does *not* prevent Fartbook from cramming the horrible new version of itself up my system.

The creator of "Social Fixer" has created a new extension called "Old Layout," but it only works on browsers that support Web Extensions, so we Pale Moon users are screwed. If I understood him correctly, it does some sort of UA spoofing that makes FB think it's pre-48 Firefox. I'm no longer able to locate the FB post(s) where he said that.

[moonbat]

The creator of "Social Fixer" has created a new extension called "Old Layout," but it only works on browsers that support Web Extensions, so we Pale Moon users are screwed. If I understood him correctly, it does some sort of UA spoofing that makes FB think it's pre-48 Firefox.

Don't need a dedicated extension to spoof a useragent - you can just use a pre 48 UA override yourself here and see if it helps. PermissionsPlus makes it easier by letting you change the user agent for a site from the page info dialog (Tools -> Page Info -> Permissions) directly without having to mess around in about:config.

[Moonchild]

Don't need a dedicated extension to spoof a useragent

You do on Firefuchs

[moonbat]

I mean here - to dispel the notion that Pale Moon is limited in any way because of not supporting web extensions to do something that doesn't need any sort of extension to fix.

[back2themoon]

Perhaps the currently working facebook.com user-agent below will still work in September and beyond (source).

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Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_5) AppleWebKit/603.3.8 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.1.2 Safari/603.3.8

I'm running PM 28.11.0 with whatever UA string comes "preinstalled," so to speak. It does *not* prevent Fartbook from cramming the horrible new version of itself up my system.

I don't understand your post. You quote the user-agent I proposed (which still usually works, just tested it), yet ignore it and complain that the "preinstalled" Pale Moon user agent for FB does not "work".

Pale Moon's default FB user agent is not meant to change layouts. Use the override if you want the old layout, no need for extensions. As with YouTube however, it's a lost cause. I suggest you either adapt to the new layout or look for alternative solutions.

[NorrinRadd]

These are the UA settings I've been using successfully for quite a while:

fbcdn.com ----- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:25.8) Gecko/20151126 PaleMoon/25.8.1

fbcdn.net ----- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:25.8) Gecko/20151126 PaleMoon/25.8.1

facebook.com ----- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:25.8) Gecko/20151126 PaleMoon/25.8.1


They do not work to keep Suckaturd from inflicting "New" FB on my system.

When I change via SASUGA, do I need to change all three, or just the basic facebook.com?

And yes, I realize the unhelpful comment that I should basically just learn to live with the new FB is likely reality-based. I'm not willing to tolerate it, and I'm hopeful that the author of SFx will eventually be able to improve things. I want to try to hold off the inevitable as long as possible.

[moonbat]

I'm not willing to tolerate it, and I'm hopeful that the author of SFx will eventually be able to improve things. I want to try to hold off the inevitable as long as possible.

You have exactly 2 choices with Facebook or any other big company's services - take it or leave it. They don't give a shit and will keep forcing their horrible UI standards on all their services. Writing extensions to keep up with these sites is a fool's game and a fruitless waste of time for the developer concerned.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

But go ahead and knock yourself out. Might be a good learning experience and we can blame you instead.

[NorrinRadd]

I'm not willing to tolerate it, and I'm hopeful that the author of SFx will eventually be able to improve things. I want to try to hold off the inevitable as long as possible.

You have exactly 2 choices with Facebook or any other big company's services - take it or leave it. They don't give a shit and will keep forcing their horrible UI standards on all their services. Writing extensions to keep up with these sites is a fool's game and a fruitless waste of time for the developer concerned.

Extensions of various sorts to improve user experience is the main draw of Pale Moon in the first place.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Of the application .. this nonsense of a stream of half-assed moving target content extensions came much MUCH later.

[adesh]

There shouldn't be need for an extension to improve the user experience of a billion dollar website.

And no, it's not the main draw but it's definitely one of the things.

[Isengrim]

Extensions of various sorts to improve user experience is the main draw of Pale Moon in the first place.

Most of those extensions are for extending the browser application.

Extensions for improving the user experience on one particular website will always be tenuous at best - it's constantly chasing that website's changes, and may stop functioning entirely if the website makes a change that the extension simply cannot follow.

As much as I'd like it otherwise, there's no simple "make it better" answer for Facebook or any other major website that pulls this kind of stuff.