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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Octopuss » 2018-12-11, 10:46

I have no idea.
I only have it so I can use https://www.nightdev.com/betterttv/

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by PalleP » 2018-12-17, 16:15

"If you’re doing searches via Google, Google’s new privacy policy allows it to aggregate your personal data across all its services.
So if you log into Gmail, then Google can track your searches."


Maybe this explains the Google ghost window.

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by badnick » 2018-12-18, 10:31

PM 28.x.x is generally sluggish (in comparison with 27.x.x)
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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by back2themoon » 2018-12-18, 14:06

badnick wrote:PM 28.x.x is generally sluggish (in comparison with 27.x.x)
Not really. Such generic statements are of little use.

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by badnick » 2018-12-18, 14:56

back2themoon wrote:Not really. Such generic statements are of little use.
See my post here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20116&start=60#p158142
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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by back2themoon » 2018-12-18, 17:19

I saw it. First thing I noticed is the Google search engine. So, it's not a clean profile. Most importantly, it doesn't prove anything. Performance heavily depends on the hardware used. So, a program can behave VERY differently on different hardware. You cannot reach such conclusions with such a test, on a single PC.

Can PM 27 perform better on a particular setup, usually old hardware? I haven't seen it but yes, it could be possible (we are ignoring the Web-browsing problems to be faced with PM 27 here, but everything is connected - there's a reason PM 28 might work better on newer hardware).

Can PM 28 perform better on another setup? Definitively yes, and that has been my experience.
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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by badnick » 2018-12-18, 18:19

back2themoon wrote:I First thing I noticed is the Google search engine. So, it's not a clean profile.
I'm wonder how Google engine can influence the browser speed?

back2themoon wrote:I- there's a reason PM 28 might work better on newer hardware).
What do you mean "newer hardware"??. I have Intel I3-3,6Ghz/RAM-8G/Radeon R7-200 on Windows 10 Pro

By the way I think this is an honest test, a day by day browsing test. What do you wish, a benchmark test?
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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by back2themoon » 2018-12-18, 22:12

badnick wrote:I'm wonder how Google engine can influence the browser speed?
You are implying that I said "Google engine can influence the browser speed". I didn't. Read again.
badnick wrote:What do you mean "newer hardware"??.
I mean hardware that is newer than other hardware that was released earlier in time. Your test only covers your own PC. It doesn't prove "PM28 is more sluggish than PM27" on all PC's in the planet.
badnick wrote:By the way I think this is an honest test, a day by day browsing test. What do you wish, a benchmark test?
I didn't say it was "a dishonest test", read again. No wishes at the moment.

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by tecnochango » 2018-12-19, 02:16

Well I come to say my experience with a few days. I have Windows 7, not at all a big PC, is old and low end. I was very impressed about how start Pale Moon because I have another browsers and no one of them I was able to open just after the computer is on like Pale. But I'm having a sever issue that doesn't happen with the other browsers, I can't open two tabs (for example facebook and youtube) because pale will hang very bad (use almost 100 per cent of memory of the computer). What can it be? Can you help me? I'm pretty happy about Pale in general except for that issue

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by back2themoon » 2018-12-19, 10:21

tecnochango wrote:What can it be? Can you help me?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49

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Post by tecnochango » 2018-12-19, 13:12

Thanks! Here's my info. Again. I can open two tabs at once (facebook and youtube for ex.) without Pale hangs awfully. This doesn't happen with other browsers

Información básica de la aplicación
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Nombre: Pale Moon
Versión: 28.2.2 (32-bit)
Identificación de compilación: 20181204193211
Canal de actualización: release
Cadena de agente de usuario: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.1 Firefox/60.9 PaleMoon/28.2.2
Sistema operativo: Windows_NT 6.1
Ventanas multiproceso: 0/2 (Deshabilitado)
Modo seguro: false

Extensiones
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Nombre: Pale Moon Locale Switcher
Versión: 3.0
Habilitada: true
Identificación: pm-localeswitch@palemoon.org

Nombre: uBlock Origin
Versión: 1.16.4.6
Habilitada: true
Identificación: uBlock0@raymondhill.net

Gráfica
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Características
Compositing: Basic
Asynchronous Pan/Zoom: ninguna
Información WSI del controlador WebGL 1: EGL_VENDOR: Google Inc. (adapter LUID: 0000000000000000) EGL_VERSION: 1.4 (ANGLE 2.1.0.) EGL_EXTENSIONS: EGL_EXT_create_context_robustness EGL_ANGLE_query_surface_pointer EGL_ANGLE_window_fixed_size EGL_ANGLE_keyed_mutex EGL_ANGLE_surface_orientation EGL_KHR_create_context EGL_EXT_device_query EGL_KHR_image EGL_KHR_image_base EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2D_image EGL_KHR_gl_texture_cubemap_image EGL_KHR_gl_renderbuffer_image EGL_KHR_get_all_proc_addresses EGL_KHR_stream EGL_KHR_stream_consumer_gltexture EGL_NV_stream_consumer_gltexture_yuv EGL_ANGLE_flexible_surface_compatibility EGL_EXTENSIONS(nullptr): EGL_EXT_client_extensions EGL_EXT_platform_base EGL_EXT_platform_device EGL_ANGLE_platform_angle EGL_ANGLE_platform_angle_d3d EGL_ANGLE_device_creation EGL_ANGLE_device_creation_d3d11 EGL_ANGLE_experimental_present_path EGL_KHR_client_get_all_proc_addresses
Procesador WebGL 1: Google Inc. -- ANGLE (Software Adapter Direct3D11 vs_4_1 ps_4_1)
Versión del controlador WebGL 1: OpenGL ES 2.0 (ANGLE 2.1.0.)
Extensiones del controlador WebGL 1: GL_OES_element_index_uint GL_OES_packed_depth_stencil GL_OES_get_program_binary GL_OES_rgb8_rgba8 GL_EXT_texture_format_BGRA8888 GL_EXT_read_format_bgra GL_NV_pixel_buffer_object GL_OES_mapbuffer GL_EXT_map_buffer_range GL_EXT_color_buffer_half_float GL_OES_texture_half_float GL_OES_texture_half_float_linear GL_OES_texture_float GL_OES_texture_float_linear GL_EXT_texture_rg GL_EXT_texture_compression_dxt1 GL_ANGLE_texture_compression_dxt3 GL_ANGLE_texture_compression_dxt5 GL_OES_compressed_ETC1_RGB8_texture GL_EXT_sRGB GL_ANGLE_depth_texture GL_OES_depth32 GL_EXT_texture_storage GL_OES_texture_npot GL_EXT_draw_buffers GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_occlusion_query_boolean GL_NV_fence GL_EXT_disjoint_timer_query GL_EXT_robustness GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_ANGLE_framebuffer_blit GL_ANGLE_framebuffer_multisample GL_ANGLE_instanced_arrays GL_ANGLE_pack_reverse_row_order GL_OES_standard_derivatives GL_EXT_shader_texture_lod GL_EXT_frag_depth GL_ANGLE_texture_usage GL_ANGLE_translated_shader_source GL_EXT_discard_framebuffer GL_EXT_debug_marker GL_OES_EGL_image GL_OES_EGL_image_external GL_NV_EGL_stream_consumer_external GL_EXT_unpack_subimage GL_NV_pack_subimage GL_OES_vertex_array_object GL_KHR_debug GL_ANGLE_lossy_etc_decode GL_CHROMIUM_bind_uniform_location GL_CHROMIUM_sync_query GL_CHROMIUM_copy_texture
Extensiones WebGL 1: ANGLE_instanced_arrays EXT_blend_minmax EXT_color_buffer_half_float EXT_frag_depth EXT_shader_texture_lod EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic EXT_disjoint_timer_query MOZ_debug_get OES_element_index_uint OES_standard_derivatives OES_texture_float OES_texture_float_linear OES_texture_half_float OES_texture_half_float_linear OES_vertex_array_object WEBGL_color_buffer_float WEBGL_compressed_texture_etc1 WEBGL_compressed_texture_s3tc WEBGL_debug_renderer_info WEBGL_debug_shaders WEBGL_depth_texture WEBGL_draw_buffers WEBGL_lose_context MOZ_WEBGL_lose_context MOZ_WEBGL_compressed_texture_s3tc MOZ_WEBGL_depth_texture
Información WSI del controlador WebGL 2: EGL_VENDOR: Google Inc. (adapter LUID: 0000000000000000) EGL_VERSION: 1.4 (ANGLE 2.1.0.) EGL_EXTENSIONS: EGL_EXT_create_context_robustness EGL_ANGLE_query_surface_pointer EGL_ANGLE_window_fixed_size EGL_ANGLE_keyed_mutex EGL_ANGLE_surface_orientation EGL_KHR_create_context EGL_EXT_device_query EGL_KHR_image EGL_KHR_image_base EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2D_image EGL_KHR_gl_texture_cubemap_image EGL_KHR_gl_renderbuffer_image EGL_KHR_get_all_proc_addresses EGL_KHR_stream EGL_KHR_stream_consumer_gltexture EGL_NV_stream_consumer_gltexture_yuv EGL_ANGLE_flexible_surface_compatibility EGL_EXTENSIONS(nullptr): EGL_EXT_client_extensions EGL_EXT_platform_base EGL_EXT_platform_device EGL_ANGLE_platform_angle EGL_ANGLE_platform_angle_d3d EGL_ANGLE_device_creation EGL_ANGLE_device_creation_d3d11 EGL_ANGLE_experimental_present_path EGL_KHR_client_get_all_proc_addresses
Procesador WebGL2: Google Inc. -- ANGLE (Software Adapter Direct3D11 vs_4_1 ps_4_1)
Versión del controlador WebGL 2: OpenGL ES 3.0 (ANGLE 2.1.0.)
Extensiones del controlador WebGL 2: GL_OES_element_index_uint GL_OES_packed_depth_stencil GL_OES_get_program_binary GL_OES_rgb8_rgba8 GL_EXT_texture_format_BGRA8888 GL_EXT_read_format_bgra GL_NV_pixel_buffer_object GL_OES_mapbuffer GL_EXT_map_buffer_range GL_EXT_color_buffer_half_float GL_OES_texture_half_float GL_OES_texture_half_float_linear GL_OES_texture_float GL_OES_texture_float_linear GL_EXT_texture_rg GL_EXT_texture_compression_dxt1 GL_ANGLE_texture_compression_dxt3 GL_ANGLE_texture_compression_dxt5 GL_OES_compressed_ETC1_RGB8_texture GL_EXT_sRGB GL_ANGLE_depth_texture GL_OES_depth32 GL_EXT_texture_storage GL_OES_texture_npot GL_EXT_draw_buffers GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_occlusion_query_boolean GL_NV_fence GL_EXT_disjoint_timer_query GL_EXT_robustness GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_ANGLE_framebuffer_blit GL_ANGLE_framebuffer_multisample GL_ANGLE_instanced_arrays GL_ANGLE_pack_reverse_row_order GL_OES_standard_derivatives GL_EXT_shader_texture_lod GL_EXT_frag_depth GL_ANGLE_texture_usage GL_ANGLE_translated_shader_source GL_EXT_discard_framebuffer GL_EXT_debug_marker GL_OES_EGL_image GL_OES_EGL_image_external GL_OES_EGL_image_external_essl3 GL_NV_EGL_stream_consumer_external GL_EXT_unpack_subimage GL_NV_pack_subimage GL_EXT_color_buffer_float GL_OES_vertex_array_object GL_KHR_debug GL_ANGLE_lossy_etc_decode GL_CHROMIUM_bind_uniform_location GL_CHROMIUM_sync_query GL_CHROMIUM_copy_texture GL_EXT_texture_norm16
Extensiones WebGL 2: EXT_color_buffer_float EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic EXT_disjoint_timer_query MOZ_debug_get OES_texture_float_linear WEBGL_compressed_texture_etc WEBGL_compressed_texture_etc1 WEBGL_compressed_texture_s3tc WEBGL_debug_renderer_info WEBGL_debug_shaders WEBGL_lose_context MOZ_WEBGL_lose_context MOZ_WEBGL_compressed_texture_s3tc
Decodificación H264 por hadrware: No; Hardware video decoding disabled or blacklisted
Backend de audio: wasapi
Direct2D: Bloqueado para la versión de tu controlador de video.
DirectWrite: false (6.1.7601.17514)
GPU #1
Activa: Si
Descripción: Familia Intel(R) G33/G31 Express Chipset (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM 1.0)
ID de vendedor: 0x8086
ID de dispositivo: 0x29c2
Versión de driver: 8.15.10.1749
Fecha del driver: 5-6-2009
Drivers: igdumd32
ID de Subsys: 00000000
RAM: Unknown

Diagnósticos
AzureCanvasAccelerated: 0
AzureCanvasBackend: skia
AzureContentBackend: cairo
AzureFallbackCanvasBackend: cairo
Registro de decisión
D3D11_COMPOSITING:
failed by runtime: Failed to acquire a D3D11 device
D3D9_COMPOSITING:
Bloqueado; código de falla BLOCKLIST_FEATURE_FAILURE_INTEL_W7_D3D9_LAYERS
DIRECT2D:
Bloqueado; código de falla BLOCKLIST_FEATURE_FAILURE_DL_BLACKLIST_g984
D3D11_HW_ANGLE:
disabled by env: D3D11 compositing is disabled




Preferencias importantes modificadas
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accessibility.typeaheadfind.flashBar: 0
browser.cache.disk.capacity: 358400
browser.cache.disk.smart_size.first_run: false
browser.cache.disk.smart_size.use_old_max: false
browser.download.importedFromSqlite: true
browser.places.smartBookmarksVersion: 4
browser.search.useDBForOrder: true
browser.startup.homepage_override.buildID: 20181204193211
browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone: 4.1.7
extensions.lastAppVersion: 28.2.2
font.size.variable.x-western: 18
general.useragent.locale: es-AR
general.useragent.override.youtube.com: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:64.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/64.0 (Pale Moon)
gfx.blacklist.direct2d: 3
gfx.blacklist.direct2d.failureid: FEATURE_FAILURE_DL_BLACKLIST_g984
gfx.crash-guard.d3d11layers.appVersion: 28.2.2
gfx.crash-guard.d3d11layers.deviceID: 0x29c2
gfx.crash-guard.d3d11layers.driverVersion: 8.15.10.1749
gfx.crash-guard.d3d11layers.feature-d2d: false
gfx.crash-guard.d3d11layers.feature-d3d11: true
gfx.crash-guard.status.d3d11layers: 2
media.hardware-video-decoding.failed: false
network.cookie.prefsMigrated: true
places.database.lastMaintenance: 1544918792
places.history.expiration.transient_current_max_pages: 122334
privacy.donottrackheader.enabled: true
privacy.sanitize.migrateFx3Prefs: true
services.sync.declinedEngines:
storage.vacuum.last.index: 1
storage.vacuum.last.places.sqlite: 1544918792

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Base de datos de Places
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JavaScript
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GC incremental: true

Accesibilidad
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Activada: false
Impedir accesibilidad: 1

Versiones de bibliotecas
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NSPR
Versión mínima esperada: 4.19
Versión en uso: 4.19

NSS
Versión mínima esperada: 3.38
Versión en uso: 3.38

NSSSMIME
Versión mínima esperada: 3.38
Versión en uso: 3.38

NSSSSL
Versión mínima esperada: 3.38
Versión en uso: 3.38

NSSUTIL
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Versión en uso: 3.38

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Moonchild » 2018-12-20, 17:32

kathrini wrote:Simply closing the browser and opening it again does not fix it, but turning the computer off entirely and then back on again will make it behave normally.
That, by defintion, would be a problem with your system and not with the browser. Any issues within the browser like this (ghost windows, issues with leaked memory, etc.) would always be solved with a browser restart -- if it is your actual computer that needs to be restarted then something else is going on entirely (potentially a video driver instability or system software).
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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Rickkins » 2018-12-21, 15:13

I have found that the only way to use this browser a lot during the course of one day, is to constantly close and reopen throughout the day, otherwise it just bogs down to the point is complete unusability.
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Post by Moonchild » 2018-12-21, 15:24

Rickkins wrote:I have found that the only way to use this browser a lot during the course of one day, is to constantly close and reopen throughout the day, otherwise it just bogs down to the point is complete unusability.
Sorry to hear -- Conversely I tend to leave my system on for weeks with the browser open and don't experience any issues.
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Post by Rickkins » 2018-12-21, 18:17

Moonchild wrote:
Rickkins wrote:I have found that the only way to use this browser a lot during the course of one day, is to constantly close and reopen throughout the day, otherwise it just bogs down to the point is complete unusability.
Sorry to hear -- Conversely I tend to leave my system on for weeks with the browser open and don't experience any issues.
I wonder why that would be...??

My time is spent largely on Facebook and a host of "news" sites.

I doubt my system can in any way be blamed. From Speccy:

perating System
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 7 95 °C
Summit Ridge 14nm Technology
RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING-CF (AM4) 33 °C
Graphics
SAMSUNG (1920x1080@59Hz)
PX2710MW (1920x1080@60Hz)
4096MB ATI Radeon RX 570 Series (Gigabyte) 47 °C
Storage
465GB Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500GB (Unknown (SSD))
1863GB Seagate ST2000DL003-9VT166 (SATA ) 36 °C
1863GB Western Digital WDC WD2003FZEX-00Z4SA0 (SATA ) 26 °C
5589GB Western Digital WDC WD60EFRX-68L0BN1 (SATA ) 27 °C
1863GB Seagate ST2000DL003-9VT166 (SATA ) 36 °C
9314GB Western Digital WDC WD101KRYZ-01JPDB1 (SATA ) 44 °C
5589GB Seagate Expansion Desk SCSI Disk Device (USB (SATA) ) 33 °C
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30
Audio
Creative X-Fi Audio Processor (WDM)

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Tomaso » 2018-12-21, 18:45

Rickkins wrote:RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36)
Your MB doesn't seem to properly recognize the installed memory.
Perhaps you should check to see if you have the latest BIOS version and chipset drivers installed.
If your RAM is still listed as "Unknown" afterwards, you need to check if it's running at the correct frequenzy, and perhaps set it manually.

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by satrow » 2018-12-21, 19:43

Tomaso wrote:
Rickkins wrote:RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36)
Your MB doesn't seem to properly recognize the installed memory.
Perhaps you should check to see if you have the latest BIOS version and chipset drivers installed.
If your RAM is still listed as "Unknown" afterwards, you need to check if it's running at the correct frequenzy, and perhaps set it manually.
DDR4 @ 2133MHZ looks like quite normal budget RAM but use CPU-Z/HWiNFO to double check - though I'd be much more concerned about the CPU that's running at 70+°C above ambient temperature.

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Rickkins » 2018-12-21, 19:46

Tomaso wrote:
Rickkins wrote:RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36)
Your MB doesn't seem to properly recognize the installed memory.
Perhaps you should check to see if you have the latest BIOS version and chipset drivers installed.
If your RAM is still listed as "Unknown" afterwards, you need to check if it's running at the correct frequenzy, and perhaps set it manually.
It's because Speccy is no longer developed, thus some items produced after development ceased are not recognized. I keep using it though simply because it is still better other similar programs...

And I assure you that my motherboard recognizes my Samsung SSD 960 EVO just fine, and all my drivers on everything are in fact up to date. Being mostly retired means I have little else to do but obsess over these things, so unless they released something the last 24hrs, I should be quite current... :mrgreen:

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Rickkins » 2018-12-21, 19:49

satrow wrote:
Tomaso wrote:
Rickkins wrote:RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36)
Your MB doesn't seem to properly recognize the installed memory.
Perhaps you should check to see if you have the latest BIOS version and chipset drivers installed.
If your RAM is still listed as "Unknown" afterwards, you need to check if it's running at the correct frequenzy, and perhaps set it manually.
DDR4 @ 2133MHZ looks like quite normal budget RAM but use CPU-Z/HWiNFO to double check - though I'd be much more concerned about the CPU that's running at 70+°C above ambient temperature.
You may have missed the part where I pointed out that Speccy no longer properly reports AMD's latest chips properly, and the current temp is in fact 43°C (according to CPUID HWMonitor)

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Re: Palemoon becoming more sluggish as the day progesses?

Post by Tomaso » 2018-12-21, 20:02

Rickkins wrote:Speccy is no longer developed, thus some items produced after development ceased are not recognized. I keep using it though simply because it is still better other similar programs...
HWiNFO (as satrow refered to) is my favorite:
https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

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