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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Pallid Planetoid » 2018-09-04, 15:32

Moonchild wrote:There is no slowness to be seen here either. Everything is on par with other versions and other browsers.
Many thanks for your reply Moonchild --- Let me say that I am a die-hard Pale Moon user and will NEVER EVER use another browser as long as Pale Moon is available. From the day I discovered Pale Moon I have been eternally grateful for the opportunity to use Pale Moon as my default browser and have never used another browser since that time. And I can absurdly add that along with myself there are a large number of Pale Moon users who feel exactly as I do so I am speaking for all these many users as well. So in the knowledge that all of us Pale Moon supporters absolutely and unequivocally appreciate all that you and other devs do to keep Pale Moon hands down our browser of choice :thumbup: -- I have just one question. :think:

This is NOT in regards to the drawing of the cartoon URL (that entails your reply) -- I found that page loads about the same or faster in Pale Moon as compared to other browsers so I'm in agreement in regards to that "test".

My question involves another URL "test" that I have noticed in my case an appreciable difference between Pale Moon and other browsers as reported in my previous post HERE in this thread.

If you load this URL (not in "safe-mode" which I did not as well): https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kkaomckncp in both Pale Moon and Firefox both at the same time and compare the two URL's running at the same time do you see any appreciable difference in performance between the two browsers -- and if you do see a difference can you kindly post what that difference is that you have observed?

I only ask because I have not seen any reply by PM support that addresses this specific "test". :think:

Of course in the event your conclusion is that this "test" is irrelevant then I'll happily take that as the final answer regarding this URL and totally discard the concept that this URL is in any way a meaningful "test" to compare browsers.

And let me be clear --- I'll be satisfied with your reported results (no matter what it is) and close this issue (to the extent there is one) upon your reply (one way or the other) and again no matter will happily continue to remain a steadfast and decisively ardent Pale Moon user.

Thanks in advance! :wave: (and many thanks for your time taken to read my comments here ;) -- You must be aware how much your work on Pale Moon is so immensely appreciated by so many users :clap:)

Addendum: Oh and let me add one last thing -- I personally do not care about this specific "test" results as far as my personal needs in a browser (I'm just curious what your results are is all and your opinion on this) -- and with that in mind I'm perfectly happy in every way with Pale Moon in regards to what I want in a browser and what I need to do on the Internet, period! 8-)
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2018-09-04, 15:40

Doesn't safemode disable any kind of GPU Acceleration and a number of other things that could account for slowass math/graphics stuff?

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by cartel » 2018-09-04, 16:09

I'm seeing just overall slowness.
Pages load slower with 28.0.1

Like when you make a bed, the blanket slowly falls to the bed.

Thats what pages load like, delay in panels is really what bugs me.

27.9.4 is just quick, renders pages fast and executes commands quickly.

Look I love PM but I'm not here lying to you or making shit up, this is what I experience.


This is new:
saved-telemetry-pings
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Isengrim » 2018-09-04, 16:18

cartel wrote:This is new:
saved-telemetry-pings
As has been said here and elsewhere, the telemetry stuff has not been completely removed yet. It's not being sent anywhere, so your data is safe. But there is a lot of telemetry-related code leftover from the rebase that will take time to isolate and delete. It should not be affecting performance or disk usage in any substantial way.
Moonchild wrote:Maybe you forget that Safe Mode also disables all your graphics acceleration?
Off-topic:
I actually did not know this (or at least didn't remember), so thanks for pointing that out!
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by tenseys » 2018-09-04, 16:33

cartel wrote:I'm seeing just overall slowness.
Pages load slower with 28.0.1

Like when you make a bed, the blanket slowly falls to the bed.
Which pages load slower for you? As an example.
I don't really see much difference from earlier versions but I can't really directly compare.
I know that pages generally load very fast.

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Night Wing » 2018-09-04, 16:55

cartel wrote:I'm seeing just overall slowness.
Pages load slower with 28.0.1

Like when you make a bed, the blanket slowly falls to the bed.

Thats what pages load like, delay in panels is really what bugs me.

27.9.4 is just quick, renders pages fast and executes commands quickly.

Look I love PM but I'm not here lying to you or making shit up, this is what I experience.
Do you have direct clickable links to those pages which are causing your slowness problems?
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Sajadi » 2018-09-04, 18:24

cartel wrote:I'm seeing just overall slowness.
Pages load slower with 28.0.1

Like when you make a bed, the blanket slowly falls to the bed.

Thats what pages load like, delay in panels is really what bugs me.

27.9.4 is just quick, renders pages fast and executes commands quickly.

Look I love PM but I'm not here lying to you or making shit up, this is what I experience.


This is new:
saved-telemetry-pings

2017041.jpg
Pale Moon 28.x does load for me not worse than 27 - more like loading fast enough actually. There is some telemetry around yeah, but it does nothing - and it will be gone once it is removed.

Even heavy pages like Facebook or Hotmail or Google mail load quick without issues. And that even without hardware acceleration :lol:

SSD is your friend ;)
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by therube » 2018-09-04, 19:40

For reference: KB Safe Mode.

(Someone also mentioned, perhaps only in current FF (?) that Safe Mode also disables telemetry.)

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by therube » 2018-09-04, 20:19

@Cartel, you have 8 cores & 16 GB RAM & it is taking you minutes for that to complete (in Safe Mode)?


I have dual-core e4300, a far cry from what you must have, & no graphics "acceleration", GeForce4 MX-440, (actually I do, but it only works in the slow lane), & on my XP the page loads acceptably (that is if you like to see every rib & every finger joint load ;-)). Anyhow, it is not minutes on my end.
(XP, so I'm looking at it with 26.5 & cannot test with 28.0.)


Your CPU usage, core usages, is not specific enough.
You need something that breaks down to the - palemoon.exe (palemoon.bin) level.
(Process Hacker, Process Explorer, on Windows, will do.)


You've mentioned telemetry numerous times.
You've been answered numerous times, yet you repeat?

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by gepus » 2018-09-04, 21:48

cartel wrote: This is new:
saved-telemetry-pings

2017041.jpg
If locally archived items are still bothering you, set "toolkit.telemetry.unified" to false in "about:config".
The pref should disable telemetry totally.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Moonchild » 2018-09-04, 23:04

PMR: I can confirm a drop in performance - mozregression using 32-bit Firefox even makes the browser unresponsive past the regression point.

85:04.04 INFO: Got as far as we can go bisecting nightlies...
85:04.04 INFO: Last good revision: 195049fabb7ac5709e5f75614ba630ba3d1b5a9b (2017-02-14)
85:04.04 INFO: First bad revision: 0a7831d838f793a263456df62f95a615472a7f95 (2017-02-15)
85:04.05 INFO: Pushlog:
https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=195049fabb7ac5709e5f75614ba630ba3d1b5a9b&tochange=0a7831d838f793a263456df62f95a615472a7f95

Considering this is in the Firefox 54 range it must have been something uplifted to 52ESR to end up in our forked tree.

Edit: bugs uplifted in that range:
bug #1339116 Improve the ServiceWorkerPrivate timer code.
bug #1338383 Assertion failure: zone->gcZoneGroupEdges().empty(), at js/src/jsgc.cpp:4511
bug #1338154 Regression: Resource URLs whose first path ("host") component consists entirely of numbers no longer work
bug #1336431 Invalid frame size being displayed when resolution is changing
bug #1336214 JS Error stack is mangled since bug 1326534 landed
bug #1336434 "Your Top Sites" should say "Top Sites" when we're using the default set
bug #1325052 Assertion failure: !elements.isMarkable(), at /home/andre/hg/mozilla-inbound/js/src/gc/Marking.cpp:1607
bug #1315752 [10.12 / sierra] Investigate continued prompts to download Osaka (from plugin-container / new tab page / ... others?)
bug #1333256 Bring back the insecure field warning Learn More text

Filed Issue #751 (UXP)
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Pallid Planetoid » 2018-09-05, 00:07

^ Thanks for looking into this. :relaxed:
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by therube » 2018-09-05, 03:51

@Cartel, you have 8 cores & 16 GB RAM & it is taking you minutes for that to complete (in Safe Mode)?
Guess I have to take that back.
Sure enough it is so.
Never would have figured.
Good find, :thumbup:.

(Now tested in 28.0.1)
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by Pallid Planetoid » 2018-09-05, 04:19

therube wrote:
@Cartel, you have 8 cores & 16 GB RAM & it is taking you minutes for that to complete (in Safe Mode)?
Guess I have to take that back.
Sure enough it is so.
Never would have figured.
Good find, :thumbup:.

(Now tested in 28.0.1)
It has been reported by Moonchild HERE on the previous page specifically in regards to "Safe Mode" that in part ".... Safe Mode also disables all your graphics acceleration? That can severely impact performance of anything...." (refer to linked post for entire comment)

Note: the red font in the above are my edits for purposes of emphasize.


Mod Edit: Trying to fix URL to Moonchild's Post for non-default page display prefs.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by therube » 2018-09-05, 12:16

It has been reported by Moonchild
Yes, I understand (& understood) that.
But sometimes you just have to see it for yourself ;-).
Safe Mode also disables all your graphics acceleration? That can severely impact performance of anything....
Also understood.
And again, what is not apparent, without looking, is the extent to which PM is affected - in this case.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by cartel » 2018-09-05, 16:30

Heres a couple videos I made of the "slowness"

Notice the menu box on the left (where it says welcome, your profile, karma, etc.) is always instantly displayed on 27.9.4 and on 28.0.1 it takes awhile to appear.

This is the only example I can give which easily shows the problem, not just the forum I showed but other pages as well has this lazyness.

As time goes by, it gets worse and its just super annoying.

27.9.4
https://youtu.be/AVBnwCFj0xE


28.0.1
https://youtu.be/JIA_MmiiTlA


Thank you all for your time and patience
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by mortalwombat » 2018-09-05, 21:33

Moonchild wrote:I can confirm a drop in performance - mozregression using 32-bit Firefox even makes the browser unresponsive past the regression point.

Filed Issue #751 (UXP)
YES, thank you for looking into this, as others already wrote. I was beginning to think it was all in my head, or that maybe my local machine suffered a client-side setback, but no, apparently it is a real issue/regression new with PM28.* and math-heavy pages.

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by tor000 » 2018-09-08, 09:57

Pale Moon 28.0.1 works OK for me, just like 27.9.4.

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by pale-ice » 2018-09-08, 10:28

mortalwombat wrote:YES, thank you for looking into this, as others already wrote. I was beginning to think it was all in my head, or that maybe my local machine suffered a client-side setback, but no, apparently it is a real issue/regression new with PM28.* and math-heavy pages.
The difference in performance is pretty clear if you run the 32 bits PM28 in a VM and not assign a lot of CPU cores to the VM.
IOW, setup a VM with minimum system requirements (1 GB RAM) and assign 1 virtual CPU core.
If you run PM27.x, it is fast and stays fast.
Using the above config with PM 28 gets pretty slow after a few minutes.

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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?

Unread post by pale-ice » 2018-09-10, 10:33

pale-ice wrote:Using the above config with PM 28 gets pretty slow after a few minutes.
... and it is fine again with PM 28.0.1

Thanks!

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