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PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
after skipping a lot of 27.*.* upgrades, finally went for PaleMoon 28.0.0 b/c it said the JavaScript engine was revamped. running a Win7 Ultimate 64 with a 4GB RAM and a 2.8GHz Core 2 Extreme on a 10-year old Dell gaming laptop, where little has changed recently other than PaleMoon upgrade.
A frequently used website is http://desmos.com, and must say that PaleMoon 28.0.0 seems to be about 5% to 10% as quick as 27.*.* with refreshing animated slider data, a common feature, and about 5% to 10% as quick, refreshing in general, on desmos. if anyone can duplicate this lag with the 2 browsers, that could be informative. Chrome and Firefox have not experienced any such new lag, on same computer and same desmos bookmark as PaleMoon.
have tried only one other JavaScript-centric website thusfar, a numeric base converter, and it seems that 28.0.0 (about 90% the speed of Firefox61) actually is an improvement over 27.9.4 (about 30-40% the speed of ~Firefox58) [Firefox itself has done some auto-upgrade(s) lately, and assuming it has kept up its JavaScript speed].
any info on this subject? would be interesting.
A frequently used website is http://desmos.com, and must say that PaleMoon 28.0.0 seems to be about 5% to 10% as quick as 27.*.* with refreshing animated slider data, a common feature, and about 5% to 10% as quick, refreshing in general, on desmos. if anyone can duplicate this lag with the 2 browsers, that could be informative. Chrome and Firefox have not experienced any such new lag, on same computer and same desmos bookmark as PaleMoon.
have tried only one other JavaScript-centric website thusfar, a numeric base converter, and it seems that 28.0.0 (about 90% the speed of Firefox61) actually is an improvement over 27.9.4 (about 30-40% the speed of ~Firefox58) [Firefox itself has done some auto-upgrade(s) lately, and assuming it has kept up its JavaScript speed].
any info on this subject? would be interesting.
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
Quite fast here. In combination with my SSD Pale Moon 28 runs in a pleasant way for me on most pages i visit.
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
Here, speed on desmos looks pretty much identical between 27.9.4 and 28.
On each, I went graphing, added an expression, added an image. No noticeable lag.
I suggest you get a copy of PM 28 portable for further testing. Though first, you might as well try in safe mode.
On each, I went graphing, added an expression, added an image. No noticeable lag.
I suggest you get a copy of PM 28 portable for further testing. Though first, you might as well try in safe mode.
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
Just to be on the safe side, I decided to down the 27.9.4 installer.
All of the 27 incremental upgrades have been fine, but 28 appears to be a larger change.
If 28 does not work, I will roll back and wait.
All of the 27 incremental upgrades have been fine, but 28 appears to be a larger change.
If 28 does not work, I will roll back and wait.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
glad to see I'm not the only one having significant downgraded performance issues after upgrading from 27.9.4 to 28.0.0 ; seems a lot of people are posting about their similar experiences.
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
yeah the problem is not with desmos. the problem is with many sites, or maybe with *all* sites (?) to differing degrees, because the problem is with PM 28. I plan to wait for the next update and see if they addressed anything, or maybe roll back to 27.9.4.
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
If you provide the information asked for here maybe people on the forum can help you figure out the problem:mortalwombat wrote:yeah the problem is not with desmos. the problem is with many sites, or maybe with *all* sites (?) to differing degrees, because the problem is with PM 28. I plan to wait for the next update and see if they addressed anything, or maybe roll back to 27.9.4.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
I don't have any problems speed wise with the Desmos site using 64 bit linux Pale Moon (28.0.0). And I have no problems with any of the sites I visit on a daily basis.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
Are we talking about the desmos "page"?
Or are we talking about things like the loading of specific pages, in particular the graphics on particular pages, like, https://www.desmos.com/calculator/s4cillt98t?
Or are we talking about things like the loading of specific pages, in particular the graphics on particular pages, like, https://www.desmos.com/calculator/s4cillt98t?
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
Desmos.com works just fine here. As with many other "speed issues" reports, the problem usually lies on incompatible extensions and/or something going wrong in the update process, and lack of any kind of user troubleshooting. Although I see you've already reached your own conclusions so not sure what exactly you are asking for, it'd be wise to try Safe Mode first, a clean profile later and to give troubleshooting information. As mentioned several times already...
You also mention you skipped lots of v27 updates and upgraded directly in 28? Yet another way to create problems.
You also mention you skipped lots of v27 updates and upgraded directly in 28? Yet another way to create problems.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
FWIW -- This linked page take about 4 seconds to fully load for me using PM28 -- the http://desmos.com page posted by OP takes about 2 seconds to fully load....therube wrote:Are we talking about the desmos "page"?
Or are we talking about things like the loading of specific pages, in particular the graphics on particular pages, like, https://www.desmos.com/calculator/s4cillt98t?
Addendum: opening this topic in the FF browser -- frankly I do not see any appreciable difference (a few times FF hung a tad on the http://desmos.com page for some reason however )....
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
This page takes about 14-15 seconds for my PM 28 to load, and by load I mean to load and then draw the complete figure:therube wrote:Are we talking about the desmos "page"?
Or are we talking about things like the loading of specific pages, in particular the graphics on particular pages, like, https://www.desmos.com/calculator/s4cillt98t?
Added: Firefox takes about 14 seconds. Chrome takes about 15 seconds. Edge takes about 14-15 seconds.
So they are all about the same for me. About 14-15 seconds.
Actually, IE 11 loads it in 6 seconds so that one is faster.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
No lag whatsoever for me either with over 30 extensions.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
Now that's different (I didn't account for fully loading the image)-- testing multiple times the full spectrum of load-time range varied ~5 seconds and was the case for all three browsers -- for the image to be fully rendered using PM28 it was generally taking any where between 17-22 seconds to fully load the image. FF and Chrome were virtually the same load time range (differences were minuscule). For Pale Moon I am using 41 active extensions for FF I am using 23 active extensions and for Chrome 17 active extensions. It's worth noting that I am using a 7+ year old laptop --- so based on browser overhead Pale Moon appears to me to be holding its own and then some.tenseys wrote:This page takes about 14 seconds for my PM 28 to load, and by load I mean to load and then draw the complete figure:therube wrote:https://www.desmos.com/calculator/s4cillt98t?
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Added: Firefox takes about 14 seconds. Chrome takes about 15 seconds.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
hmm, surprisingly I get similar results -- IE11 full load-time ranges only 8-9 seconds -- appreciably faster (virtually twice as fast in my case) than the other browsers mentioned (I have virtually no extensions however)... and I also notice that the image gets rendered in full as opposed to sporadic image "chunks" like in the case of the other browsers (presumably the way the Trident engine is designed).tenseys wrote:.... Actually, IE 11 loads it in 6 seconds so that one is faster.
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
^ follow-up -- just for kicks I thought I'd compare Opera in the mix as well (I've generally noticed in the past that Opera had been a reasonably quick browser) and found a range of 14 to 18 seconds to fully load the image on the page -- so other than IE11 Opera is unquestionably faster than the other 3 browsers tested (but then I only have 10 extensions in use on this browser which could be a factor )
All said and done -- I use Pale Moon exclusively (virtually never use any other browser and in the event a backup is needed due to occasional issues it will generally be Basilisk).
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Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
OK, try out the following page. on my computer, there is a night&day difference between PM 27.9.4 (updated from previous versions) and PM28.0.0 (updated from 27.9.4).
the older version of the browser renders the page smoothly and trouble-free at high FPS, as did all previous versions, and the newest version of the browser is choppy and laggy with low FPS, which is unprecedented on this machine.
--> https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kkaomckncp
the older version of the browser renders the page smoothly and trouble-free at high FPS, as did all previous versions, and the newest version of the browser is choppy and laggy with low FPS, which is unprecedented on this machine.
--> https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kkaomckncp
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
should add that while the operating system is Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, PaleMoon itself is 32-bit on this machine.
Re: PaleMoon 28.0.0 is much, much slower @ desmos than 27.* ?
mortalwombat wrote:OK, try out the following page. on my computer, there is a night&day difference between PM 27.9.4 (updated from previous versions) and PM28.0.0 (updated from 27.9.4).
the older version of the browser renders the page smoothly and trouble-free at high FPS, as did all previous versions, and the newest version of the browser is choppy and laggy with low FPS, which is unprecedented on this machine.
--> https://www.desmos.com/calculator/kkaomckncp
On my very low end netbook PM 28 (new profile) is slow and choppy with that graphic (compared to FF on same netbook which is fast and smooth)
On my main laptop PM 28 looks much like FF on it.
Testing it more, I'd say PM 28 and FF61 are pretty similar on main laptop (2018 model) -... I think they are about the same.
(cpu on PM goes to about 40%, on FF 50% - main laptop)
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