"Sound & Picture" sites need UA overrides

[Tomaso]

Affected sites:
http://www.lbaanijakuva.fi/
http://www.ljudochbild.se/
http://www.lydogbilde.no/
http://www.lydogbillede.dk/

Issue:
UA sniffing.
Pale Moon gets served the mobile versions.

Affected Pale Moon versions:
All of them (including v28), running in any of the three user agent modes.

Working override:

Code: Select all

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

Note:
I've reported the issue to their Norwegian webmaster.

[Moonchild]

I've reported the issue to their Norwegian webmaster.

Let's wait for their reply first.

[Tomaso]

I got a reply from the webmaster, telling me that he has confirmed the problem, and that he'll look into it ASAP!
Already, this sounds more promising than the type of replies I usually get when reporting these sort of issues. :)

[therube]

Do you have any telemetry data ( ) on just what, UA related, breaks various websites?

Like those particular sites don't seem to like the Goanna/3.4 part.

Now I'm sure you want that there - for your purposes; to "properly" identify yourself, for extensions ?, & whatever else.

But does its inclusion cause "enough" issues that maybe it can be removed, & some other method used for "internal" purposes, such that sites are less likely to break?

(And of course sites that sniff UA's have long brought issues to those who may use some "non-standard" UA.
And I'm sure you've thought all this through at length, but just figured I'd ask.)

[doofy]

(And of course sites that sniff UA's have long brought issues to those who may use some "non-standard" UA.
And I'm sure you've thought all this through at length, but just figured I'd ask.)

Get Eclipsed Moon from APO. Disable history clearing. Set U/A to a fixed/static modern one found here: https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01 ... er-agents/

Bingo - you have a toolbar button to toggle U/A.

[Moonchild]

Therube: "Goanna" will NOT be removed just because some mobile detection libs are wallpapering their detection for anything starting with "Goa" (case insensitive) because of some obscure phone. This is an old issue that most sites and libs have since corrected. If this is still the case on these sites they are likely using an old version of the detection lib or using one that is using outdated info ("Goanna" has been part of our UA since v25)

it is and has always been and will always be the responsibility of those who sniff user agents to do so with an accurate and updated list of UA components/known UAs. That kind of maintenance is often overlooked when a designer chooses to take the UA-sniffing shortcut.

[satrow]

FTR, if adequately described reports are made to the webmaster, changes can be implemented quite quickly: 1h:12m between emailing a report, the fix being made and the reply today (thanks to all concerned @thinkbroadband.com).

[therube]

if adequately described reports are made

I'm sure it's more simply that you've found a firm that actually cares about its customers.
And given that there is a relatively easy fix they can make they're happy to do it.

Contrast that with the typical response you'll get, as in, "USE CHROME" (or xyz is not a supported browser).

[Tomaso]

Unfortunately, my optimisim after receiving a quick reply from the webmaster was misplaced.
I sent the him another mail a month ago, asking if he's had a chance to look at the problem yet.
Since then, I've been given the all-too-familiar silent treatment.

Same ol' story I guess..
It doesn't matter how easy it would be to fix such a problem.
As soon as they realize that it doesn't affect any of the very limited number of mainstream browsers, they just don't give a damn! :(

Any chance of including UA overrides for these sites (see first post) in the next release of PM?

[Goodydino]

Can you not just put in a user-agent override to about:config yourself? I did that with SeaMonkey, copying the idea from Pale Moon for the Mozilla addons site (which now is admittedly useless to me).

[Tomaso]

Can you not just put in a user-agent override to about:config yourself?

How do you think I came up with the "working override" in my first post?

[Moonchild]

Any chance of including UA overrides for these sites (see first post) in the next release of PM?

Unlikely. What we need is to get this "UA override list" mechanism up and running so Pale Moon can grab an always-updated list without it being tied to any specific release version (similar to the blocklist handling)

[Tomaso]

What we need is to get this "UA override list" mechanism up and running

I was unaware of that approach.
Looked it up @ GitHub, and indeed it seems like a good idea!

[therube]

Rambling...

PM ships with 33 or so overrides, as it is
If the 4 or 5 from this thread are added...
If ...

As in, like where does it end?
Granted, if it's need, it's needed.

Or do you only go for the "big" sites (in which case none of the OP's sites would be of importance - unless you are in & about dk, fi ).


And I would think that a "UA override list" should not override a users specifically set UA for the same domain.

[Tomaso]

The sites http://www.lydogbilde.no/ and http://www.lydogbillede.dk/ have been updated now, and UA overrides are no longer needed.

However, http://www.lbaanijakuva.fi/ and http://www.ljudochbild.se/ still shows the mobile versions.

[Moonchild]

Feel free to send them a reminder.

[Tomaso]

LOL!
Now http://www.lydogbilde.no/ and http://www.lydogbillede.dk/ are back to showing the mobile versions again too.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

BTW; I've sent them several mails.
They don't reply anymore.

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EDIT:
They're probably in the process of changing something, because now I can't even get it to work with a UA override anymore either.
Will check back on this another day.