How do I get an older Page Moon to work, or how do I make a new one go?

[Mysha]

Hi,

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Browser version:
32-bit or 64-bit browser?:
Problem URL:
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Installed plugins: (about:plugins):

Operating system: Mate Ubuntu Linux - Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS, MATE Desktop Environment 1.26.0
Browser version: Firefox Browser 123.0.1 (64-bit) - There's more information, but their Information window appears to be crafted specifically to not let that be copied out. (I'm also not sure how relevant the browser that I DO use is. After all: It's the browser that I can NOT use that I have problems with.)
32-bit or 64-bit?: 64 bit, I assume.
Problem URL: <https://start.me/users/sign_in>, I guess.
Theme: Default
Installed add-ons: Lots. I can't find how to start up without them, but I switched off each and all of them manually.
Installed plugins: None. I wouldn't know what those were.


I used to use Pale Moon. But at some point, start.me stopped working. Though I reported that to them, it took them months to reply, with irrelevant answers. So, since I could not get them to check/fix what the problem was, I switched to FireFox. (I didn't want to be on FireFox; That's exactly why had in the past fled to Pale moon.) Recently, when installing Ubuntu on a computer, that Windows 8 had become invalid for, I noticed that the version of Pale Moon that I couldn't get to work properly there, was later than the version that can not get <https://start.me/users/sign_in> to work here.

I can't recall how I got Pale Moon there, but here I tried downloading Pale Moon, and the only thing that gives me is a bunch of files. That would suggest I didn't do it the right way, but does anyone what I should have done?

The reader would probably want to know what <start.me> does though. Well, not much; it'll show its adds, but anything beyond that goes by way of the sign_in. The page does show the Title, in the title bar, but otherwise the page remains blank.

Bye
Mysha

[andyprough]

Operating system: Mate Ubuntu Linux - Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS, MATE Desktop Environment 1.26.0

I tried downloading Pale Moon, and the only thing that gives me is a bunch of files. That would suggest I didn't do it the right way, but does anyone what I should have done?

To install Pale Moon on Ubuntu, go to https://software.opensuse.org/download. ... e=palemoon
Click on "Ubuntu"
Click on "Add repository and install manually"
Find the section "For xUbuntu 22.04 run the following"
There are four commands listed there. You will want to open a terminal on Ubuntu, and then copy the commands one a time and paste each one into the terminal, hitting the "Enter" key on your keyboard after each one. Follow along with the output in the terminal and type "y" or hit the "Enter" key on your keyboard when asked. This will install the latest Pale Moon for you.

You can find these instructions any time by going to the Pale Moon homepage at palemoon.org, and clicking on "Download", then "Other", then "3rd Party Builds", and then "Pale Moon GTK3 repositories for Debian and Ubuntu".

Start.me seems to work for me on the latest version of Pale Moon, but I do not have an account so I haven't tried to sign in.

[Mysha]

Hallo,

I can't get the quote function to work, but I'm not really motivated. l'll use email quotes:

> To install Pale Moon on Ubuntu, go to https://software.opensuse.org/download. ... e=palemoon
> Click on "Ubuntu"
> Click on "Add repository and install manually"
- I think I found that, but I would have been more certain if that menu has graphical headers so you could simply insert the relevant icon option there.

> Find the section "For xUbuntu 22.04 run the following"
In the mean time, I'm now on 24.04, as I didn't receive, or see, your answer.
There's no option for 24.04, yet, so I think I selected 23.10.


> ...You can find these instructions any time by going to the Pale Moon homepage at palemoon.org, and clicking on "Download", then "Other", then "3rd Party Builds", and then "Pale Moon GTK3 repositories for Debian and Ubuntu".

Ah, but for that, you need to know that you need the GTK3 version. In March I figured that out, or at least at some earlier point I did. Now, under 24.04 I had not yet progressed that far, when I managed to find my previous message and found it had been answered.

So, the result is that I now have a Pale Moon 33.0.2. I don't think that's actually the latest version, but that may be because the instructions have not yet updated to 24.04.


So, having come to this temporary result:
- It doesn't work for me, as it wants me to set initial settings (can't recall the name), that I can change later.
-To be able to change the settings later, however, you need to have readable settings.
- I absolutely can't find the setting that will switch off all Pale Moon settings and revert to the readable settings the rest of the machine uses.

It would seem very likely I did something to paint myself into a corner, here, but I'm beginning top fear there is no way to let the paint dry.
It's just like the fall-through option was never implemented.


> Start.me seems to work for me on the latest version of Pale Moon, but I do not have an account so I haven't tried to sign in.
- De Nederlandstalige startpagina <https://frl.about.start.me/> laadt wel. (The Dutch language index page works fine, indeed.)
- But <https://start.me/users/sign_in> loads what looks like a a blank page for me.
- Since you need that page to sign in, or even to indicate you want to try a rubbish account, having that page is rather essential. Without it, I have been condemned to using FireFox for over two years now, but I would dearly love to get back to a working browser.

Bye
Mysha

[ron_1]

Steve Pusser is MIA I think. But anyway, the first thing you need to do is find out if your computer is AVX compatible. The official build since the last version will now only work on AVX. Here's the announcement of it. If your computer is not AVX compatible, there are 3rd-party builds you can use (this is the link to them). They don't "install." Just unzip it and run. You need the ones marked "SSE2."

If you don't know how to check whether your computer can handle AVX, post back here and let us know.

[Mysha]

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[jobbautista9]

Since you're in Linux, a quick way to check is to use this command in the terminal and check if there's an output. It should show if your processor has AVX supported in its flags:

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lscpu | grep avx

If there's no output then your CPU doesn't support AVX.

[andyprough]

Steve Pusser is MIA I think.

Steve Pusser is still making Pale Moon builds for MX Linux that will work on any Debian-based distro. Just go to our Contributed Builds page here -
http://www.palemoon.org/contributed-builds.shtml

And look for the link for "Pale Moon for MX Linux by Steve Pusser", which will take you here -
https://mxrepo.com/

If you are running a distro that is based on the latest Debian 12 (Bookworm), or probably Ubuntu 24.04 or 24.10 or Mint 22, then go to the MX-23 Packages link and search for "palemoon", where you'll find the .deb installation files for i386 and amd64 -
https://mxrepo.com/MX23packages.html

For older distros based on Debian 11 (Bullseye), or probably Ubuntu 22.04 or 22.10 or Mint 21, go to the MX-21 Packages link and search "palemoon" for the .deb installation files - https://mxrepo.com/MX21packages.html

Download the .deb installation file for Pale Moon that you want, either by right clicking on the link or by using a terminal command such as:

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wget https://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/pool/main/p/palemoon/palemoon_33.3.0-1mx23_amd64.deb -P ~/Downloads/

and then install it with something like:

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sudo apt install ~/Downloads/palemoon_33.3.0-1mx23_amd64.deb

If anyone wants to add the MX repo to their distro in order to keep the version of Pale Moon automatically updated, let me know and I'll write a how-to in our forum's Tutorials/Howto's section on how to add the MX gpg key and add the MX repo and how to configure apt pinning to ensure you are only getting Pale Moon and not a bunch of other packages from the MX repo. (Mixing other packages besides Pale Moon from MX's repos could be very destructive to your installed distro - must use apt pinning to make sure other packages don't get added from the MX repo).

[moonbat]

If anyone wants to add the MX repo to their distro in order to keep the version of Pale Moon automatically updated, let me know and I'll write a how-to in our forum's Tutorials/Howto's section on how to add the MX gpg key and add the MX repo and how to configure apt pinning to ensure you are only getting Pale Moon and not a bunch of other packages from the MX repo.

Yes please!

[Mysha]

Hi,

Since you're in Linux, a quick way to check is to use this command in the terminal and check if there's an output. It should show if your processor has AVX supported in its flags:

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lscpu | grep avx

If there's no output then your CPU doesn't support AVX.

OK, while I don't know why my computer would have AVX, or would not, this test show there's not AVX there. (That is not all that surprising, since the one I'm testing on is an old Wiin8 computer that ran past it's sell by date.) Let me try that on my production machine that I have been without start.me for for two years on. OK: So that is not the problem, as that one does have AVX, whatever it does.

But let's first educate the test machine. I go to that FTP page: <ftp://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/>. Funny part: I rarely use FTP - so rarely in fact, that the system handler is still set to Pale Moon. It opens "Index of ftp://ftp2.palemoon.org/avx/linux/", of which I know to select: "palemoon-33.3.0.linux-x86_64-sse2_gtk3.tar.xz".

This gives me a xxxx whole lot of files, but that leaves me at the same point: I can't find the manual to tell me what to start.

Bye,
Mysha

[ron_1]

This gives me a xxxx whole lot of files, but that leaves me at the same point: I can't find the manual to tell me what to start.

Look at the screenshot below. Is that what you see? If so, then you simply click the "palemoon" file that I have marked off in red to launch Pale Moon. Now, I'll assume you would like to make a shortcut to it. Here is how I do it. I save the palemoon folder to /home/ron/Templates (you can save it anywhere you like). Then, for my example, I made a panel shortcut to it with the path /home/ron/Templates/palemoon/palemoon (note the double palemoon; the first is the folder, the second is the launcher file). Hope this helps.

[andyprough]

Yes please!

I put the How-to here: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=31560

Let me know if you find any errors - I'll be more than happy to correct them.

[moonbat]

Looks comprehensive
I have moved to a new laptop with KDE Neon, which is Ubuntu based. Will it work on this?

[andyprough]

I have moved to a new laptop with KDE Neon, which is Ubuntu based. Will it work on this?

Wow, did you get one of those KDE Slimbooks? Those look very nice. I think it should work with it - I see a review of Neon from April 2024 which says it was based on Ubuntu 22.04 at the time, which should have been compatible with MX21.

[moonbat]

The very same
From my old laptop to this is like going from an oxcart to a Ferrari!

[andyprough]

The very same
From my old laptop to this is like going from an oxcart to a Ferrari!
about slimbook.png

Sweet, I'll bet those 16 fast cores come in handy.

[Mysha]

This gives me a xxxx whole lot of files, but that leaves me at the same point: I can't find the manual to tell me what to start.

Look at the screenshot below. Is that what you see? If so, then you simply click the "palemoon" file that I have marked off in red to launch Pale Moon.

Not quite, but I have a palemoon folder with a palemoon launcher in it.

OK, so I clicked it, and the first thing it wanted to do was install a more recent version. (That apparently resolve the not-the-right-version issue.) I had it download that version, after which it wanted to restart.

It still starts up with all bells and whistles active, which I can't recall installing, but it may be I tried out stuff at some point before I upgraded the OS. However, I now have an option Restart in Safe Mode. Not in Tools, where the extensions are installed from, but in Help. (OK, given that the user will click on every menu to find it, there may be a logic behind placing it there.)

So, this is the further then I have come over the past two years. I now have a Pale Moon screen, I can go to start.me, and I get the sign-in window there, which tomorrow I'll copy the right data to (as it got a bit late).

The problem is, that this is in safe mode. Now that I have that, I can read that Pale Moon complaints that it cannot find the first run wizard xul. So that is what has kept me from using Pale Moon for two years. But what do I do to correct that? (Or should I just make the Safe mode settings the starting configuration and be done with it?)

BFN
Mysha

[Mysha]

Yes please!

I put the How-to here: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=31560

Let me know if you find any errors - I'll be more than happy to correct them.

Well, "error". We can probably figure it out, but there is no step 3f beyond where the text refers to that. The reason is: At this point the reader is in section 3, and in it there is a step f.

So, basically, you give all the relevant information, just not in the right pairing.

Thanks anyway.
Mysha

[andyprough]

Well, "error". We can probably figure it out, but there is no step 3f beyond where the text refers to that. The reason is: At this point the reader is in section 3, and in it there is a step f.

So, basically, you give all the relevant information, just not in the right pairing.

Thanks anyway.
Mysha

I don't understand what you are trying to say - might be a language issue between us.

Regardless, I probably won't put a lot of time into that How-to, as I just discovered that one of our forum members Veit Kannegieser has created an easier repository to install from with .deb files for Debian-based distributions: viewtopic.php?p=254376#p254376

The repo and instructions are here: https://kannegieser.net/palemoon/

Hopefully Veit Kannegieser will continue to distribute Pale Moon .deb installation files into the future with this single-purpose repo, making it unnecessary for non-MX users to add the MX repo to their distributions.

[Mysha]

You're a pizza deliverer, and you are delivering a pizza to Mr Anthony Lyssol. It turns out you are delivering at a garden party of a reunion of the Lyssol family. Everyone is wearing name tags, though, so you just have to find the person with "Anthony Lyssol". Except, that there are no last names on the tags, and a lot of the people are from branches that have other last names. But if you find "Anthony", you can ask if he's the one who ordered a pizza.

You sent us to observe 3F, but we are in the 3 section and no step is called 3F. It's likely that the step F is the one we're after, but it would be more certain, if either you explicitly said we were after step F in the 3 section, or if you explicitly named the steps so they would include the number: 3A, 3B, ... 3F, 3G ....

I hope that makes it clearer. It's not so much that my language, Frisian, is unreadable to speakers of the English language. It's more that I think in a different way from 98% of the readers, and sometimes I can't find the way to explain things in a way that everyone will understand.

If there is a better way to do the same thing, by all means, concentrate on that way. But do try to make this way work as well, if only for people who have trouble with the simpler way.

(By the way: Note that I use capitals for the steps. They are in effect your headings, so I wanted to make them stand out a bit more.)

Bye,
Mysha

[Moonchild]

Misschien was het niet helemaal duidelijk door de layout die hij koos, maar er is wel degelijk een punt 3f. Ik heb voor het gemak even een screenshot bijgevoegd waar ik met rood heb aangegeven waar dit punt te vinden is.
(Hoewel ik geen Fries ken, neem ik aan dat ABN geen probleem zal zijn Mensen in Sneek wordt nog steeds Nederlands geleerd in school, hoop ik?)