Master password issues with PM 31

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Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by asimperson » 2022-05-11, 05:22

Operating system: Windows 10
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I first hit this issue in PM 30 and it appears to still be present in PM 31. In between, I reverted to PM 29 and the issue did not appear.

Steps:
1. Have master password enabled and set in PM 29
2. Upgrade to PM 31.
3. Master password no longer appears set. Saved passwords list is empty.
4. Restart in Safe Mode.
5. Master password is set and passwords appear in the list.

Switching back out of Safe Mode causes the issue to occur again. When the issue first appeared in PM 30, I disabled all of my extensions and plug-ins in normal mode and it did not fix the issue.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-05-11, 09:07

I'm unable to reproduce this error (I use a master password and stored credentials all the time).
Since it doesn't occur in Safe Mode, it does seem to be an issue with either preferences or extensions. Did you restart after disabling all extensions?
Does the browser console (Developer Tools -> Browser Console) show any issues either on startup or when you're trying to use stored passwords?
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by asimperson » 2022-05-11, 10:00

I just unset the Master Password in Safe Mode. My passwords were still visible in the saved passwords window in Safe Mode. Restarted in normal mode and they're not visible.

This is what I see in the browser console after restarting and going to a website with saved password:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Couldn't decrypt string
crypto-SDR.js:146
Use of Mutation Events is deprecated. Use MutationObserver instead.
longurl_mobile_expander.user.js:565:12
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(unknown)
Use of getPreventDefault() is deprecated. Use defaultPrevented instead.
js:1:49443
Use of Mutation Events is deprecated. Use MutationObserver instead.
longurl_mobile_expander.user.js:565:12
JQMIGRATE: Migrate is installed with logging active, version 1.4.1
js:1:102257
SyntaxError: expected expression, got '?'[Learn More]
login:130:101
None of the “sha384” hashes in the integrity attribute match the content of the subresource.
login
NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Couldn't decrypt string
crypto-SDR.js:146
Use of getPreventDefault() is deprecated. Use defaultPrevented instead.
js:1:49443
Use of Mutation Events is deprecated. Use MutationObserver instead.
longurl_mobile_expander.user.js:565:12
NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Couldn't decrypt string
crypto-SDR.js:146
Use of Mutation Events is deprecated. Use MutationObserver instead.
longurl_mobile_expander.user.js:565:12
Restarting after disabling all extensions does not fix the issue. Only restarting in Safe Mode or reverting to PM 29 makes my passwords visible again.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-05-11, 10:12

Hmm so, for some reason NSS actually throws an error when trying to decode the ciphertexts with your stored password, even with no master password present, when not in safe mode. That's really curious. Can you please try creating a new profile and seeing if everything works correctly there?
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-11, 21:55

I am also having this problem BUT I was a Basilisk person and am trying to make PM work with one of my old Basilisk profiles. It does seem I have everything working other than my account names and passwords are missing and I am not able to create or change my master password. However, to answer Moonchild's question: YES, if you create a new/fresh profile PM will save account names and passwords and it will allow one to create a master password that will then show your new saved passwords.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by asimperson » 2022-05-12, 06:42

A new profile works as expected.

Here's some more info from when I raised this issue with PM 30 (before it understandably was overshadowed by events and I reverted to PM 29): viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27922&p=224818#p224966

I have also just tried the following:
1. Go back to Safe Mode.
2. Set the Master Password again.
3. Re-install PM 29, verified the new password works.
4. Attempt to unset the Master Password, where I'm presented with a dialog box that says "You are currently in FIPS mode. FIPS requires a non-empty Master Password."

I'll do some digging to see if I can figure out what this is and if I can disable it. (I know what FIPS is generally, but I can't recall ever setting such a thing back in the day. This profile is admittedly very old, but it has been my daily driver for a long time.)

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by asimperson » 2022-05-12, 07:11

Disabling FIPS Mode did the trick.

I found some old Mozilla docs that explained FIPS Mode and how to enable it, so I followed them to disable it. Afterward, I upgraded back to PM 31 and my Master Password is intact with all of my saved passwords.

https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org ... index.html
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Co ... PS%20140-2

A tl;dr; for anyone else:
If you see the behavior, check to see if you have FIPS Mode enabled. Go to your Preferences window, select the Advanced tab, then to Certificates. Click "Security Devices" button. Select each option under "Security Modules and Devices". If the "Disable FIPS" button on the left becomes available, click on it and restart the browser.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-05-12, 09:42

Ah! That makes a lot of sense, yes. That solves that mystery.

FIPS mode is a special operational mode of the credential manager that is a lot stricter in regards to local security, including strict requirements of the Master Password, and does not always play nice. With how we've had to change the way NSS is built to make it compatible with future upgrades of the library, we didn't think of testing this rather specialized operational mode (which, frankly, is very outdated and a "legacy" feature of NSS for US governmental use of eras past; the standard operating mode of NSS is "military grade" these days no matter which mode you're in, anyway) and it's possible FIPS mode is currently not working properly as a result. We should probably think about removing FIPS mode altogether from the browser/platform.
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-12, 15:49

Thanks. Moonchild, am correct in understanding your last sentence that if you decide to remove FIPS mode in a next version there will be no need revert to 29, play around with the settings, etc., and then reinstall 31? In other words, you might be able to fix this in the next version.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-21, 20:38

I have had the time to review the work-around suggested by asimperson. While I no reason to doubt it will work, especially when it comes to checking all the settings in about:config, and perhaps changing them, a task like this seems to be too daunting. For this reason, I hope this problem can be addressed in the next version of PM in some fashion, even if it requires creating a revised version of 29 that makes the changes, re-installing this, and then upgrading to the next version of PM.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-05-21, 22:56

pintorama wrote:
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I hope this problem can be addressed in the next version of PM in some fashion, even if it requires creating a revised version of 29 that makes the changes, re-installing this, and then upgrading to the next version of PM.
Sorry but no. You have no idea how much work that would be and I'm really not going to do that.

I can see if FIPS can be enabled in the next dev release again so anyone currently using FIPS has the option to disable it from within the browser, and then I can look into a proper migration path to a removed-FIPS scenario.
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-22, 01:07

Thanks for the explanation and the possibility of being able to just address this issue in a subsequent version of PM. I'd be happy to test-drive a potential solution if you'd like me to.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-05-22, 08:46

Try: https://testserver.palemoon.org/try/palemoon-31.1.0a1.win64.7z

This was built with FIPS enabled and should Just Work™
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-22, 17:44

It didn't work for me. Pretty much the same problem, no master password in preferences, unable to set/reset master password, no passwords in saved passwords, and an inability to save passwords when entered manually. Of course, my setup could be the problem as I am migrating from Basilisk with a Basilisk profile. Creating a new PM profile gets the job done, however.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-22, 18:47

An update. Previously, to get PM to work with a Basilisk profile, and to get all my legacy extensions running, I had to use a Basilisk profile from a number of years ago. I just tried my most recent Basilisk profile with 31.1 and now the problem with the user names, master password and saved passwords is resolved. Now I have to see if I can get my legacy extensions that weren't working before back, using the profile that allows the passwords to appear.

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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by Moonchild » 2022-05-22, 21:27

pintorama wrote:
2022-05-22, 17:44
It didn't work for me. Pretty much the same problem
There isn't anything different in this case as far as configuration of NSS (that handles MP/FIPS/security devices/etc.) is concerned and I tested entering and exiting FIPS mode on the try build which worked just fine (although you do need to restart between the two and FIPS more -requires- a master password, of course) also, the security devices properly displayed the FIPS NSS device instead of the normal 2-stage software security device. So it should work -- although coming from a particularly old Basilisk profile might have you run into a different issue regarding the type of storage used for secure keys.

Either way there isn't anything else I can do, so it's good that your recent profile works now.
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by athenian200 » 2022-05-22, 21:59

pintorama wrote:
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An update. Previously, to get PM to work with a Basilisk profile, and to get all my legacy extensions running, I had to use a Basilisk profile from a number of years ago. I just tried my most recent Basilisk profile with 31.1 and now the problem with the user names, master password and saved passwords is resolved. Now I have to see if I can get my legacy extensions that weren't working before back, using the profile that allows the passwords to appear.
Yeah, using an older Basilisk profile would be a really bad idea... we switched NSS storage from DBM to SQLite, and your old Basilisk profile is probably from a time when we were still using DBM.

It is unfortunate that importing an older profile was the only way you knew to make legacy extensions work, because that is not an option now. Hopefully you can find another solution.
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Re: Master password issues with PM 31

Unread post by pintorama » 2022-05-22, 22:32

Well, actually I now have everything up and running even using my last stable Basilisk profile. I had to down-grade the extension Autocopy, using CAA, and it was critical for me to use the PM Noia Moon theme to get my Noia buttons back which had simply been an extension (In fact, changing to the Noia Moon theme actually made some extensions that weren't appearing in the Navigation Tool Bar reappear.). But now that I've done these two things, I basically have a PM that worked like Basilisk, before support was terminated, which is where I wanted to be. Now, when PM does its upgrades I will be set and I can return to using one of Moonchild's browsers as my default browser.

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