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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by gmaslin » 2019-05-15, 18:36

@Nigaikaze
I'm using the portable version and there is no "Help" evident anywhere.

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by New Tobin Paradigm » 2019-05-15, 18:36

Or about: or via the scratchpad with javascript or reading application.ini or via a hex editor. There lots of ways to find your current version.
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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by Goodydino » 2019-05-15, 18:40

RealityRipple wrote:
2019-05-03, 19:54
Pretty sure this basically boils down to a fundamental question: how do you uniquely identify a browser on a device? The answer is that you don't because that's called "tracking" and it's been a big thing to try to stop it. So how do websites "remember" you? They usually use your IP address and your User Agent. So what happens when you update your browser and the version number changes? If the programmer is smart and also knows the format of your user agent, they ignore the version numbers that change over time and assume the rest of the agent data is unique enough to identify a user on a device.
A home user cannot be identified by IP address, since they are dynamic for home users. They change from time to time, and as for user-agent, if you are using a fairly common browser, that would not be a good identifier either. Sites that want to identify visitors use cookies and passwords (and sometimes super-cookies of various types, or try to anyway).

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by Nigaikaze » 2019-05-15, 18:46

gmaslin wrote:
2019-05-15, 18:36
I'm using the portable version and there is no "Help" evident anywhere.
When I fire up the portable version, it's right there. If you have the menu bar hidden, click the blue "Pale Moon" button and "Help" is at the bottom of the left column. Or hit your alt key and the menu bar will show up, and "Help" is one of the options on the menu bar. If you still can't find it after that, I can't help you, cuz either of those should be blatantly obvious unless you've made some major changes to your UI.

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by Nigaikaze » 2019-05-15, 18:49

Off-topic:
cartel wrote:
2019-05-15, 18:44
WHATS YOUR PROBLEM?
If you keep shouting, there's a good chance you will end up being mocked. (More so than usual.)

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by cartel » 2019-05-15, 18:51

Nigaikaze wrote:
2019-05-15, 18:49
Off-topic:
cartel wrote:
2019-05-15, 18:44
WHATS YOUR PROBLEM?
If you keep shouting, there's a good chance you will end up being mocked. (More so than usual.)
does it TRIGGER YOU?
Mock all day.
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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by Nigaikaze » 2019-05-15, 19:09

Off-topic:
cartel wrote:
2019-05-15, 18:51
does it TRIGGER YOU?
Unlike you, I have no triggers.

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by Moonchild » 2019-05-15, 19:12

Note, if you're going to be an ass in your own thread, I will also lock it.
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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by RealityRipple » 2019-05-15, 23:33

Goodydino wrote:
2019-05-15, 18:40
RealityRipple wrote:
2019-05-03, 19:54
Pretty sure this basically boils down to a fundamental question: how do you uniquely identify a browser on a device? The answer is that you don't because that's called "tracking" and it's been a big thing to try to stop it. So how do websites "remember" you? They usually use your IP address and your User Agent. So what happens when you update your browser and the version number changes? If the programmer is smart and also knows the format of your user agent, they ignore the version numbers that change over time and assume the rest of the agent data is unique enough to identify a user on a device.
A home user cannot be identified by IP address, since they are dynamic for home users. They change from time to time, and as for user-agent, if you are using a fairly common browser, that would not be a good identifier either. Sites that want to identify visitors use cookies and passwords (and sometimes super-cookies of various types, or try to anyway).
Passwords only work if the user has an account on the site (not a given) and don't work as verification at all if the entire purpose of your identification process is to prompt for a Captcha or second-factor password. Cookies of any supposed durability are never truly reliable. There are, in truth, no reliable ways of tracking a user. So most sites use a combination of all of these (and sometimes other things like WebGL Benchmarking) to try to narrow things down. For example, while the last octet of an IP might change quite frequently, the first two almost never will unless the user switches ISPs, and the third is usually one of two or three options. User Agents tend to be used less and less, true, but they are still used, and often stored in some readable format so the user can see what browsers at what ips/locations have been using their account, so keeping them in for "good measure" is still considered standard practice.

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by gmaslin » 2019-05-16, 16:07

I discovered the source of my difficulties. The menu bar is disabled by default, it is now enabled. I'm using 28.4 and my settings inform me of updates without installing them. While I was there, I disabled my history but didn't note a setting for cookies. I don't see that as a problem since the addons deal with it. The more I use Palemoon the more I am appreciating the experience it provides :)

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by LAR Grizzly » 2019-05-16, 19:42

gmaslin wrote:
2019-05-16, 16:07
I disabled my history but didn't note a setting for cookies.
Tools->Preferences->Privacy->History (use custom settings for history)

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by gmaslin » 2019-05-17, 14:15

Thanks, for some reason the options were grayed out before. I restarted the browser and the options reappeared.

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Re: captchas, captchas everywhere

Unread post by LAR Grizzly » 2019-05-17, 18:11

gmaslin wrote:
2019-05-17, 14:15
Thanks, for some reason the options were grayed out before. I restarted the browser and the options reappeared.
You're welcome. Glad you got it sorted out. ;)
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