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Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby floatingkeyboards » Sat, 07 Jul 2018, 00:00

I would like to have Youtube display the video as extended on my 2 monitors (full screen mode displays on just 1 monitor). If this is not feasible, I would like to be able to expand the browser window to be longer in horizontal width than the monitors are (this way I can get a lot of the picture and have the white space, etc, hanging off the side and not visible)

As an aside, my 2 monitors are each a slightly different resolution (one of them is slightly better than 1080p)

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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Sat, 07 Jul 2018, 00:41

floatingkeyboards wrote:I would like to have Youtube display the video as extended on my 2 monitors (full screen mode displays on just 1 monitor). If this is not feasible, I would like to be able to expand the browser window to be longer in horizontal width than the monitors are (this way I can get a lot of the picture and have the white space, etc, hanging off the side and not visible)

As an aside, my 2 monitors are each a slightly different resolution (one of them is slightly better than 1080p)
Could you explain what you're trying to do a bit more clearly, please?

I'm a native speaker of English - and I have a three-monitor setup - but I can't follow what you have in mind.

In my system, I use two Matrox graphics cards, which could drive a total of six monitors. The Matrox PowerDesk software offers three possibilities for "organizing" my three monitors: individual, extended, and cloned. To me, this seems somehow related to what you're after.

The info you provided identifies your graphics adapter as an AMD Radeon R7 200. Is this an onboard chip? In any case, you might have a look at whatever software you're using to drive your monitors.

In any case, I'm not sure if what you're after is actually a browser issue.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby floatingkeyboards » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 20:09

Thanks for the response.

The video card is not integrated into the motherboard. Instead, it's connected via PCI-e.

Describing the first issue more:
I would like to have YouTube videos use as much of the screen as possible. In other words, I want the video picture taking up the screen instead of other web page material that's on the particular Youtube website. For example, particular webpages on the Youtube website have other content such as advertisements or descriptions posted by the video creator, in addition to an actual "movie theater" window. Sometimes I prefer to eliminate the non-video material (text, other graphics, etc) and instead run things more like a TV, where I am solely focused on the video content. I would like the 2 monitors to basically pretend that they are 1 monitor, and not ignore 1 monitor when enlarging the video picture to as big as possible.

I do realize that the 2 monitors running at different resolutions creates a bit of an issue as one of the monitors would probably need a small amount of ignored space.

Perhaps you are right that part of this problem stems from somewhere else such as the operating system. I might be able to test for other operating systems although I don't have easy ability to pop a new hard drive into this computer and install a new operating system (no extra hard drives available right now).

Describing the second issue more:
I would like to be able to have Pale moon program window be larger than the screen size. Take for example, when you maximize the window. At this point, you take up the whole screen. Let's also assume that you have 1 monitor. Now you want to expand the size by a factor of 4. In other words, you will just see the bottom left quadrant and rest would be hanging off the screen and not visible to you. I don't believe Pale Moon is capable of that. This I don't think is an operating system issue as I have had Microsoft Excel opened to be much larger than the screen space.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 20:57

floatingkeyboards wrote:Thanks for the response. The video card is not integrated into the motherboard. Instead, it's connected via PCI-e.
My pleasure. I understand.
floatingkeyboards wrote:Describing the first issue more:
I would like to have YouTube videos use as much of the screen as possible ... Perhaps you are right that part of this problem stems from somewhere else such as the operating system.
It would only have to do with the OS if that's the only tool you're using to manage your multi-screen setup. Based on my experience with my Matrox cards, my tendency would be to look at the software for your graphics card.

It's a bit hard to explain, but "within" my three-monitor Matrox setup, I have a second computer that has an nVidia K2000 graphics card that pushes two of my three monitors simultaneously. The nVidia software also has tools for controlling multi-monitor setups. Anyway, as I've said, if you have it installed, take a look at the software for your graphics card. It may help.

floatingkeyboards wrote:Describing the second issue more:
I would like to be able to have Pale moon program window be larger than the screen size.
What's the problem?
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Here you see this forum on PM stretched across three monitors.

floatingkeyboards wrote: ... Now you want to expand the size by a factor of 4. In other words, you will just see the bottom left quadrant and rest would be hanging off the screen and not visible to you. I don't believe Pale Moon is capable of that. This I don't think is an operating system issue as I have had Microsoft Excel opened to be much larger than the screen space.
OK, but with Excel and other programs, you can add rows and columns that push the edges of your worksheet off the screen - by a factor or 4 or a factor of whatever you want.

How should PM, or any other browser for that matter, be able to get bigger than the display area? The limit here is technically not the browser, but rather the way you're limited by the mouse: You simply can't use the mouse to stretch anything beyond the borders of your monitor window.

Someone would have to program the browser in a way with an interface box that says "expand window by a factor of ...". I have no idea whether that's possible, but I think you'd probably have to do it yourself.

And finally, in regard to YouTube, please take a look at this:
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Here is YouTube (in theater mode) stretched across three monitors. As you can see, though, the site itself is programmed in such a way that the video window doesn't stretch along with the "sides". I don't think any browser can change that.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby floatingkeyboards » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 19:35

Thanks for the reply again.

It would only have to do with the OS if that's the only tool you're using to manage your multi-screen setup. Based on my experience with my Matrox cards, my tendency would be to look at the software for your graphics card.


I took a quick look at the video card software. I didn't notice any settings in there that seemed appropriate. But, you could very well be right. I will have to put some more time into it.

It's a bit hard to explain, but "within" my three-monitor Matrox setup, I have a second computer that has an nVidia K2000 graphics card that pushes two of my three monitors simultaneously. The nVidia software also has tools for controlling multi-monitor setups. Anyway, as I've said, if you have it installed, take a look at the software for your graphics card. It may help.


Interesting. I will have to read up on such setups.

What's the problem?


OK, but with Excel and other programs, you can add rows and columns that push the edges of your worksheet off the screen - by a factor or 4 or a factor of whatever you want.


Can you make Pale Moon larger, though, than your 3 screens and then just view a percentage of it on your screens? I am not talking about having a scroll bar to reach a portion of the webpage. I am talking about actually having an area that's purely off the screen.

You can see below that the browser window is hanging off the screen. Also note that it's not reachable through a horizontal scroll bar. It's simply hanging off the screen.This can be useful when you simply don't want to see part of a web page.
Note that what's pictures is a little different than what I am actually seeking. I want all screens to be filled with the webpage, except for a portion that I prefer to have hanging off, and therefore not visible.

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With the You Tube screen shot that you provided, you can get a setup where you have a larger picture. Don't put it in that full screen theater mode. Instead, have it in the normal browsing mode and then manually expand the size of it horizontally.

Perhaps you are right about the web page bring programmed in a way to not accommodate what
I want. Although that does sound strange to me. It's a web page, it should care how big you are expanding its image to. It's not like you are using more bandwidth by expanding the size. Perhaps no web browsers accommodate what we want, though.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby Goodydino » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 20:34

Why not just use full-screen mode? That way, the video takes the whole screen area. If you mouse over the video frame, a control bar appears at the bottom of it. The symbol on the right end of that will toggle full-screen mode.

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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 20:46

floatingkeyboards wrote:Thanks for the reply again.
You're welcome.
I took a quick look at the video card software. I didn't notice any settings in there that seemed appropriate. But, you could very well be right. I will have to put some more time into it.
Since you seem to have a graphics card that supports (at least) two monitors, it's likely that the software offers a way to manage them. What kind of graphics card do you have?
Interesting. I will have to read up on such setups.
To be honest, I doubt if there's anything to read on the subject. The trick is that in addition to graphics cards that support multi-monitor setups, you also need monitors that allow multiple inputs that can be switched on the fly.
Can you make Pale Moon larger, though, than your 3 screens and then just view a percentage of it on your screens? I am not talking about having a scroll bar to reach a portion of the webpage. I am talking about actually having an area that's purely off the screen.
As I said, I don't see how this is "mechanically" possible. Using your mouse, how can you drag the window beyond the edge of the monitor?
You can see below that the browser window is hanging off the screen. Also note that it's not reachable through a horizontal scroll bar. It's simply hanging off the screen.This can be useful when you simply don't want to see part of a web page.
Sorry, but I can't figure out what I'm seeing in your image. Do you have your monitor in "portrait" position? And I don't see any scroll bars at all.
Note that what's pictures is a little different than what I am actually seeking. I want all screens to be filled with the webpage, except for a portion that I prefer to have hanging off, and therefore not visible.
Can you somehow indicate the edges of your monitor in your image?
With the You Tube screen shot that you provided, you can get a setup where you have a larger picture. Don't put it in that full screen theater mode. Instead, have it in the normal browsing mode and then manually expand the size of it horizontally.
I've done this; the video window won't extend beyond the border of one monitor. Only the gray area around the video window stretches. Please look at the image.
Image
Perhaps you are right about the web page bring programmed in a way to not accommodate what I want. Although that does sound strange to me. It's a web page, it should care how big you are expanding its image to
I think you meant to write "it shouldn't care".
It's not like you are using more bandwidth by expanding the size.
I don't think browser programmers care about how much bandwidth anyone uses. And to be honest, I have no idea why YouTube won't let you drag the video window the way you want.
Perhaps no web browsers accommodate what we want, though.
I think you're right.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby yami_ » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 21:29

floatingkeyboards wrote:I don't believe Pale Moon is capable of that.

Well...
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(this screenshot shows my entire screen)
The only thing that needs to support moving windows off-screen is the WM. The WM used in Microsoft Windows NT is capable of that. The problem is that you are not supposed to have the title-bar off-screen. If WM detects that the title-bar is off-screen it will change the position of the window in a way that makes the title-bar visible (Pale Moon will check if window is off-screen and will adjust the window position by itself during start-up, but that is another story). The other problem is that making the window four times larger makes rendering of such window much more expensive.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 21:51

yami_ wrote:Well...(this screenshot shows my entire screen)
OK, but your image only relates to one monitor. If I understood the OP, what he'd really like to be able to do is get a YT vid in full screen mode to stretch across two monitors.
The only thing that needs to support moving windows off-screen is the WM.
I guess you mean "the Window Manager", right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager
The WM used in Microsoft Windows NT is capable of that.
When you say "Microsoft Windows NT", do mean that ancient OS, or do you mean "Microsoft Windows NT-based OSs, including Windows 7"?
... The other problem is that making the window four times larger makes rendering of such window much more expensive.
"Expensive" in what sense, please?

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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby yami_ » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 23:06

JoeyG wrote:OK, but your image only relates to one monitor. If I understood the OP, what he'd really like to be able to do is get a YT vid in full screen mode to stretch across two monitors.

I was replying to this:
floatingkeyboards wrote:Let's also assume that you have 1 monitor. Now you want to expand the size by a factor of 4. In other words, you will just see the bottom left quadrant and rest would be hanging off the screen and not visible to you. I don't believe Pale Moon is capable of that.

If the OP wants "the 2 monitors to basically pretend that they are 1 monitor"[1] they should use AMD Eyefinity that coincidentally allows to "Group multiple monitors into a large integrated display surface, enabling windowed and full-screen 3-D applications, images and video to span across multiple displays as one desktop workspace"[2].


JoeyG wrote:I guess you mean "the Window Manager", right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager

Yes, your guess is correct.


JoeyG wrote:When you say "Microsoft Windows NT", do mean that ancient OS, or do you mean "Microsoft Windows NT-based OSs, including Windows 7"?

I meant "Microsoft Windows NT-based". Sorry, I should have been more precise.


JoeyG wrote:"Expensive" in what sense, please?

Expensive, as in computationally expensive. Rendering graphic in very high resolution is generally resource-demanding operation. Again I should have been more precise.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 23:39

yami_ wrote:...If the OP wants "the 2 monitors to basically pretend that they are 1 monitor"[1] they should use AMD Eyefinity that coincidentally allows to "Group multiple monitors into a large integrated display surface, enabling windowed and full-screen 3-D applications, images and video to span across multiple displays as one desktop workspace"[2].
Sounds interesting, but I just looked at the costs involved. I hope the OP is very rich! :o

Anyway, as I've mentioned the software for my Matrox and nVidia cards has some of those features, but I don't think they're as powerful as the dedicated product you describe. Hmmm, I guess I have to admit that my Matrox C420 card is also pretty expensive, as are good-quality NEC monitors.
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JoeyG wrote:"Expensive" in what sense, please?
Expensive, as in computationally expensive. Rendering graphic in very high resolution is generally resource-demanding operation ...
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby yami_ » Thu, 12 Jul 2018, 07:38

JoeyG wrote:Sounds interesting, but I just looked at the costs involved. I hope the OP is very rich! :o

Anyway, as I've mentioned the software for my Matrox and nVidia cards has some of those features, but I don't think they're as powerful as the dedicated product you describe. Hmmm, I guess I have to admit that my Matrox C420 card is also pretty expensive, as are good-quality NEC monitors.

The Radeon Pro GPUs are indeed quite expensive. But OP's Radeon R7 2xx should also support this feature (in fact, my old ATI Radeon HD5670 also supported this).
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Thu, 12 Jul 2018, 21:38

yami_ wrote: ... OP's Radeon R7 2xx should also support this feature (in fact, my old ATI Radeon HD5670 also supported this).
Here, when you write "this feature", I assume you mean "the 2 monitors ... basically pretend that they are 1 monitor", right?

My assumption is based on your previous post, in which you wrote, "If the OP wants 'the 2 monitors to basically pretend that they are 1 monitor' ... they should use AMD Eyefinity".

I've just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g-xB7tzzig. As I expected, AMD Eyefinity is a solution that involves both the graphics card hardware and what in the movie is called the AMD Catalyst Center software. It also, however, employs (I guess) Windows' ability to run an "extended" desktop.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, my Matrox card (which also uses an AMD chip and supports EyeFinity) - through its PowerDesk software - does pretty much the same thing.
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Anyway, with this information, the OP should be on her or his way. I think, though, that she or he should gain better familiarity with the computer's hardware and software.

The one factor in the OP's enquiry that I'm still really uncertain about is the YouTube video window's interaction.
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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby yami_ » Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 16:13

JoeyG wrote:Here, when you write "this feature", I assume you mean "the 2 monitors ... basically pretend that they are 1 monitor", right?

Yes.
JoeyG wrote:It also, however, employs (I guess) Windows' ability to run an "extended" desktop.

Actually, it does not use the Windows extended desktop feature if you use the "Single Large Surface" ("Stretched Desktop" in your screenshot) mode. IIRC in this mode the driver lies to Windows about your screens (Windows thinks that you have only one screen connected).
JoeyG wrote:Anyway, with this information, the OP should be on her or his way.

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Re: Youtube Full Screen with 2 monitors

Unread postby JoeyG » Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 16:20

yami_ wrote:... Actually, it does not use the Windows extended desktop feature if you use the "Single Large Surface" ("Stretched Desktop" in your screenshot) mode. IIRC in this mode the driver lies to Windows about your screens (Windows thinks that you have only one screen connected).
Interesting - thanks very much for your informative postings on this subject.
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