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Forum planned downtime

Post by Admin » 2020-09-19, 13:19

We'll be taking the forum down for extended database maintenance and front-end updates on Sunday, September 20th 2020, probably around 10:00 UTC (but it may be earlier or later). Expected downtime is at least a couple of hours.

This will make the forum inaccessible for the duration for everyone, and will most likely log you out if you have a persistent login session.

Thanks in advance for your understanding.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Admin » 2020-09-20, 08:49

After a smooth maintenance session we're back. You may notice some slight style changes on the forum (hopefully for the better!). The Forest theme also has been given a once-over to align colors to the green spectrum better.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Konrad » 2020-09-20, 10:40

After the latest maintenance session, the site does not open properly.
The forum’s main page address is https://forum.palemoon.org/index.php, but now it shows the following notification:
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One can open the main page through changing the link from https://forum.palemoon.org/index.php to https://forum.palemoon.org/.

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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by moonbat » 2020-09-20, 11:01

Works fine, just refresh the page.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Konrad » 2020-09-20, 11:20

moonbat wrote:
2020-09-20, 11:01
Works fine, just refresh the page.
It should work without having to refresh the page, as usual.
However, now it opens correctly. It might have been some temporary glitch.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by moonbat » 2020-09-20, 11:22

You mean the website should be able to override your browser's cache? Ok then.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Konrad » 2020-09-20, 11:33

You mean the browser generates cache by itself, not based on the website data? OK then.

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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by moonbat » 2020-09-20, 11:39

Cool, I didn't know the browser was expected to fetch the new page every femtosecond and ignore the cache sans a refresh. But of course this is 'as usual', whatever you meant by that. Now go whine about it on r/palemoon.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Konrad » 2020-09-20, 11:56

Roger, out.

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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Isengrim » 2020-09-20, 12:03

Thank you for the update! :thumbup:
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by adesh » 2020-09-20, 12:58

Of course, after being logged, clicking a link on the site should render the updated page. I refreshed the page myself and then saw this discussion. Refreshing the page in this scenario may be understandable, but please don't generalize.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Admin » 2020-09-20, 13:47

Don't make me have to hand out cooldowns.
Moonbat, please don't encourage the segregation towards reddit for people with (heated) disagreements. It's already bad enough as it is.

I will look into adding some cache-control variables next time on the off-line page so a manual refresh should not be necessary.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by moonbat » 2020-09-20, 14:39

Not encouraging, but I've seen it as a common trend. There was a snarky one in response to the forum thread where Tobin acknowledged RealityRipple's mirror of MDN, for example.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Tharthan » 2020-09-20, 15:33

Admin wrote:
2020-09-20, 08:49
The Forest theme also has been given a once-over to align colors to the green spectrum better.
Ah, my preferred theme!

Thanks for the update, Mr. Admin. It's looking good.
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2020-09-20, 14:39
Not encouraging, but I've seen it as a common trend.
Respectfully, my friend: I've noticed that the most frazzled users of these forums (and those with the least patience for goofy-but-well-intentioned newbie questions that sometimes pop up here) are those who frequent the Pale Moon subreddit.

It might do you good to avoid going there, at least for a while. I think that that subreddit might make those who read it be a bit jaded.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by RealityRipple » 2020-09-20, 16:17

Browser caching can be a tricky mess. There's lots of ways to accomplish it, and most involve setting a static amount of time before even contacting the server to check for a change. If you don't, then every request talks to the server, if only to get a 304-not-modified because the etags match.

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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by Moonchild » 2020-09-20, 17:23

It's not that tricky. Just add a cache-control with a limited time to every response and it will re-request after that time. An offline page shouldn't be cached for too long, if at all.
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Re: Forum planned downtime

Post by The Squash » 2020-09-23, 23:51

For the record, it appears the database updates and stuff erased my post signature and my group status.

I'm not angry at that; I just noticed it. Besides, I put it all back.
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